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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Puggins" data-source="post: 5089317" data-attributes="member: 12386">I'm not trying to be flippant here- honest.  I don't see why, exactly, it is poorly designed.  A character with thievery paid a cost for having thievery- essentially one feat (yes, you can argue less than one feat, since he can take the multiclass feat, but that comes with the opportunity cost of not taking another multiclass option, so let's call it one feat).What is one feat worth in gold and/or time?  Certainly more than 25g or 50g per level, given that the amount paid for knock becomes absolutely trivial by paragon tier (at the latest), while that feat could easily have been retrained into a very good paragon or epic feat later on.Now add on the advantage that its a bonus that stacks with thievery, giving the arcane trickster character quite the perk.  How much is that worth in time and money?I understand your argument, but I see no easy way to quantify how much the knock ritual is really worth in game terms, especially since its value varies by the campaign.  One locked cell or chest per 2-3 levels makes the knock spell an absolute bargain for a party that doesn't want to be bothered with thievery.  One locked cell per encounter makes thievery quite the value.</blockquote>