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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 5089327" data-attributes="member: 31506">So why do you want to make them that way AGAIN? Which is essentially what these threads are. An older edition pity party saying "magic isnt as good as it used to be". I thought that was the obvious intent of 4th edition. Casters have a role too, and there's actually an arcane/divine class for every one... So I'm not seeing why they need more than the non casters. Its the niche protection of the thievery skill. Which costs a feat to get if you aren't trained. If the ritual caster feat gives you a bunch of skills... why blow a feat to train a skill? Ritual Caster also lets you do stuff you cant even TRY to do with skills. So no, the catch all skill doesnt get to be as good as the specific tool. Additionally, warlocks can train thievery as one of their choices. If you want to use magic to pick locks, take the skill and fluff your skill roll as a spell. Fluff your diplomacy check as slipping words of power into a conversation. The 1/2 level bonus to all rolls should essentially represent your non combat magical knowledge being put into play. That's cool. What's the heal DC for a warlord to raise the dead? What's the knowledge nature DC for the ranger to open a dimensional portal?When the non casters start doing stuff magic characters cant hope to accomplish, then perhaps casters can start getting back what they lost. Until then. I've got no pity.</blockquote>