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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 5089345" data-attributes="member: 31506">What do they do WORSE? You have arcane classes of every combat role (leader, defender, controller, striker), so its not a combat issue. What do they do worse out of combat to justify getting access to every skill and problem solving spell "because its magic"?If it was hard to learn rituals, or if each ritual took a feat, or required a power swap, I might feel sorry for the casters. If martial characters could all utilize the skill powers freely, instead of having to blow both a feat AND a power choice on them... I might agree with buffing them.  Cant combat powers be used out of combat? Utility powers? Skills? Why does the mage need yet another option on top of what everyone else gets to overcome problems?Thank you for illustrating the point. Because they cant just throw a cheap scroll at the problem, they actually DID have to think. They have to utilize equipment and the environment more because they have less tools. Necessity is the motherhood of invention. If magic does everything, like the ritual caster feat essentially does, then yes, it should be a slight perk. Its the trade off of being general vs. specific. Otherwise ritual caster is the jack of all trades, master of all trades ability. Rituals are pretty cheap when spread over 5 people. The ritual caster shouldn't be shouldering the cost on his own. Its like making the face pay for all the bribes or whatever out of his pocket when the entire party benefits.</blockquote>

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