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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6239717" data-attributes="member: 7006">You said in your original post:&quot;The full title was going to be &quot;Why (and how) 5E can succeed in ways that 4E failed&quot; but I didn't want this to be construed as an edition war thread. I am not meaning to criticize the quality of any specific edition except insofar as the health and vitality of the community that is built around it. The fact that 5E was announced three and a half years after 4E was published speaks volumes to this failure.&quot;You were suggesting 4E failed.&nbsp; You weren't talking &quot;degrees of success&quot;... you out-and-out was saying you thought 4E FAILED as an edition.&nbsp; To which I say HOGWASH.Had you originally said (as you mentioned above in your reply to me) &quot;I think we can safely say that 4E was not as successful as previous editions in that the edition cycle was only four years, and less really if you think about the period of active support.&quot; I wouldn't have said anything.&nbsp; Because your statement could possibly be true based on just outsider perspective... but which there's no way to confirm or deny that as we have no numbers to tell us how much the edition actually made.But you did not say that.&nbsp; To which my reply still stands:&nbsp; Anything you produce that makes you money, keeps your business open, and allows you to continue to do business is a success.&nbsp; That which does not can be considered a failure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6239717, member: 7006"] You said in your original post: "The full title was going to be "Why (and how) 5E can succeed in ways that 4E failed" but I didn't want this to be construed as an edition war thread. I am not meaning to criticize the quality of any specific edition except insofar as the health and vitality of the community that is built around it. The fact that 5E was announced three and a half years after 4E was published speaks volumes to this failure." You were suggesting 4E failed. You weren't talking "degrees of success"... you out-and-out was saying you thought 4E FAILED as an edition. To which I say HOGWASH. Had you originally said (as you mentioned above in your reply to me) "I think we can safely say that 4E was not as successful as previous editions in that the edition cycle was only four years, and less really if you think about the period of active support." I wouldn't have said anything. Because your statement could [I]possibly[/I] be true based on just outsider perspective... but which there's no way to confirm or deny that as we have no numbers to tell us how much the edition actually made. But you did not say that. To which my reply still stands: [I]Anything you produce that makes you money, keeps your business open, and allows you to continue to do business is a success.[/I] That which does not can be considered a failure. [/QUOTE]

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