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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 6239863" data-attributes="member: 59082">Mistwell, I'm not going to enter into a dance with you. I've seen where that goes, but wanted to let you know that I did read your response (and am not ignoring it) but that I disagree with your interpretation, or at least it doesn't match up with my intention! I find that most "edition wars" are started with misconstrued accusations of edition warring, and since I have no interest in that I'll just leave it at that. I would add: Don't make a strawman out of someone's view and turn it into an extreme, which it seems is what you are doing, my friend.I'm going to have to agree with [MENTION=92511]steeldragons[/MENTION] that you're nitpicking semantics. The word "failed" seems loaded for you, like its inherently an all-encompassing castigation, a word that applies to all context which, in the original post, I was very clear I wasn't using it that way. As I said, I wasn't talking about how good of a game 4E is, or how loved it is by its advocates, or how creative it is, but the overall impact it has had and the community strength behind that. As I said, relative to previous editions - in terms of the context I outlined in the original post and since then - it seems like a "failure." Announcing a new edition three and a half years in doesn't speak of a thriving community.I see a bit of a strawman argument here, because you aren't accepting my re-phrasing, which you agreed was a viable viewpoint - but instead go back to my original phrasing (and your interpretation of it) and obstinately continue to disagree with that. In other words, you reject my clarification.If you want to do away with the word "failure," fine. We can talk about "degrees of success" to which I'll say 4E was on the lower end of the spectrum, a "minor success" in that it offered a new way to play the game that some people liked and it made WotC some money initially but didn't last. I'm guessing that WotC hoped for more, something more sustainable.By the way, my position with regards to 4E is moderate! I like the game, played it for three years. But my original post has nothing to do with how I feel about it as a game, but its larger impact on the game and community and, perhaps most importantly, its (lack of) longevity and sustainability.</blockquote>

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