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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6239983" data-attributes="member: 7006">Very good.&nbsp; This I am fine with.&nbsp; Now if you can use this kind of moderate language all the time, there will be more worthwhile discussion about your actual points, rather than posts reflexively decrying your statements in the first place because you used language many of us do not feel was factually correct.&quot;I think 3E was more successful creatively to do X than 4E and here's why 5E should probably go in that direction...&quot; is a discussion we can have and can look at all sides.&nbsp; &quot;4E failed and thus 5E should do X...&quot; degenerates immediately to the argument of whether 4E &quot;failed&quot; or not and who gets to define it, and thus missed the entire point.By now most of us should know where the discussion will immediately go if you put 4E and &quot;failure&quot; in the same sentence.&nbsp; If a poster does so, it's because they intentionally want to piss people off.&nbsp; And it doesn't matter how many times they parrot &quot;I'm not trying to start an edition war here!&quot;... yes, yes in fact they are.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6239983, member: 7006"] Very good. This I am fine with. Now if you can use this kind of moderate language all the time, there will be more worthwhile discussion about your actual points, rather than posts reflexively decrying your statements in the first place because you used language many of us do not feel was factually correct. "I think 3E was more successful creatively to do X than 4E and here's why 5E should probably go in that direction..." is a discussion we can have and can look at all sides. "4E failed and thus 5E should do X..." degenerates immediately to the argument of whether 4E "failed" or not and who gets to define it, and thus missed the entire point. By now most of us should know where the discussion will immediately go if you put 4E and "failure" in the same sentence. If a poster does so, it's because they intentionally want to piss people off. And it doesn't matter how many times they parrot "I'm not trying to start an edition war here!"... yes, yes in fact they are. [/QUOTE]

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