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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6240173" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>If you used language in your original post that you knew could be construed as an edition war to the point that you actually had to couch your opinion by stating outright "I'm not trying to start an edition war!"... how exactly did you think people would react to your post? You had two choices when you wrote that first piece. You could have either toned down the rhetoric to the point where there was little to no question that you were just throwing out was just some ideas for discussion about 5E... or do what you did, which was use language that most of us on these boards <em>knows</em> will cause arguments about the definition of "failure" and whether it applies in 4E's case. You've participated in those arguments. Almost all of us on these boards knows about these arguments. And if you know them, but choose to use those words together anyway... you really shouldn't be surprised by the reaction.</p><p></p><p>But you know what? If you've now been truly blindsided with this... that the idea that even talking around the concept of "the failure of 4E" would generate conflicting opinions and arguments on the matter... then my apologies. I've been giving you way too much credit. I thought you were pretty tied in to what gets talked about here, but perhaps you just haven't been paying as much attention as it seems like you have.</p><p></p><p>But let's also not forget that in the first case <strong>you</strong> disagreed with <strong>me</strong>. My original post said nothing at all about what you had said and was purely expository on my part of what "success" and "failure" could or should be defined as. You chose to argue MY point and in fact <em>changed your language</em> as you did so. You chose to redefine or clarify what you originally meant to say, so don't get mad at me for pointing that fact out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6240173, member: 7006"] If you used language in your original post that you knew could be construed as an edition war to the point that you actually had to couch your opinion by stating outright "I'm not trying to start an edition war!"... how exactly did you think people would react to your post? You had two choices when you wrote that first piece. You could have either toned down the rhetoric to the point where there was little to no question that you were just throwing out was just some ideas for discussion about 5E... or do what you did, which was use language that most of us on these boards [I]knows[/I] will cause arguments about the definition of "failure" and whether it applies in 4E's case. You've participated in those arguments. Almost all of us on these boards knows about these arguments. And if you know them, but choose to use those words together anyway... you really shouldn't be surprised by the reaction. But you know what? If you've now been truly blindsided with this... that the idea that even talking around the concept of "the failure of 4E" would generate conflicting opinions and arguments on the matter... then my apologies. I've been giving you way too much credit. I thought you were pretty tied in to what gets talked about here, but perhaps you just haven't been paying as much attention as it seems like you have. But let's also not forget that in the first case [B]you[/B] disagreed with [B]me[/B]. My original post said nothing at all about what you had said and was purely expository on my part of what "success" and "failure" could or should be defined as. You chose to argue MY point and in fact [I]changed your language[/I] as you did so. You chose to redefine or clarify what you originally meant to say, so don't get mad at me for pointing that fact out. [/QUOTE]
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