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Why are there no sneaky leaders?
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<blockquote data-quote="mneme" data-source="post: 5084490" data-attributes="member: 59248"><p>Probably. It's pretty obvious why strikers don't start with heavy armor prof (most strikers are dex or (less common) Int, and Barbarians traditionally don't use heavy armor despite their stat pairs being perfect for it), but heavy armor is a flavor thing -- not a capability thing. Whereas when you put together a sneaky party, you can do trivial multiclassing to add a sneaky controller and a sneaky defender...but while you can find striker sets with every stat and then some, dex leaders are all but impossible.</p><p></p><p>Good point re Eagle shaman -- the dex secondary's buried in the powers, so I didn't find it (despite reccomending Eagle for a ranged sneaky party in the 2 person party thread yesterday). Could still use more choices there (though I'd be surprised if a Shadow leader doesn't cover that niche at least a little).</p><p></p><p>Re "can you picture any leaders who do so from the shadows", well, D&D leaders aren't necessarily leaders, per se, are they? Bards use magic and sometimes bows, so Dex is appropriate even if stealth isn't. Artificers are more or less batman, building golems to help the party and buffing their gear; the only reason a Dex build is kinda inappropriate is that it would screw up their defenses (and it's not like Paladin/Cleric pay attention to that). Warlords...well, I can totally picture the guy who brings his friends in under cover of night, attacking the bad guys with surprise and stealth, yeah; the "strike force leader" to a T. (in fact, warlord types are the only ones I could see having Stealth as a class skill).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mneme, post: 5084490, member: 59248"] Probably. It's pretty obvious why strikers don't start with heavy armor prof (most strikers are dex or (less common) Int, and Barbarians traditionally don't use heavy armor despite their stat pairs being perfect for it), but heavy armor is a flavor thing -- not a capability thing. Whereas when you put together a sneaky party, you can do trivial multiclassing to add a sneaky controller and a sneaky defender...but while you can find striker sets with every stat and then some, dex leaders are all but impossible. Good point re Eagle shaman -- the dex secondary's buried in the powers, so I didn't find it (despite reccomending Eagle for a ranged sneaky party in the 2 person party thread yesterday). Could still use more choices there (though I'd be surprised if a Shadow leader doesn't cover that niche at least a little). Re "can you picture any leaders who do so from the shadows", well, D&D leaders aren't necessarily leaders, per se, are they? Bards use magic and sometimes bows, so Dex is appropriate even if stealth isn't. Artificers are more or less batman, building golems to help the party and buffing their gear; the only reason a Dex build is kinda inappropriate is that it would screw up their defenses (and it's not like Paladin/Cleric pay attention to that). Warlords...well, I can totally picture the guy who brings his friends in under cover of night, attacking the bad guys with surprise and stealth, yeah; the "strike force leader" to a T. (in fact, warlord types are the only ones I could see having Stealth as a class skill). [/QUOTE]
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