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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6242340" data-attributes="member: 87792">I read that and I see "What would be fun for Samwise's player is to prevent the combatants having their fun." Samwise's player is trying to prevent the combat - Gimli and Legolas are built for  the combat.  In order for Samwise's interaction pep talk to work you  need to structure the fight in a way that probably isn't to the tastes  of the warriors.  You essentially need to make each boss into a video  game multi-part boss behaving in a very very gamist manner.  And then  Sam needs to kill-steal.With your suggestions, Sam is an  inherently disruptive concept for the game.  He's reducing the DM's fun  because the DM has to move the monsters specifically to suit Sam.  And  he's reducing the other players' fun by stealing the spotlight in ways  that make little sense and stealing the kill and not even claiming it.   I'd therefore take a look at Sam's character sheet and ask the player to  come up with a new one.Or you could allow Samwise to be a 4e  lazy warlord and so contribute to the combat.  Of course that takes  using hit points as 4e hit points which, I believe, is a non-starter for  you.I'm also not saying rogues aren't awesome.  They are.  Sam's just no rogue.I disagree.  If a monster is an entire adventure in itself it isn't a monster.  It's an adventure about defeating that monster.Oh, I understand the pillars for game design.  I just do not  understand in what world a dragon can have a fearsome fighter right in  its face (and the fighter be fearsome enough for the dragon to respect  it) and a (non-Kender - for Kender I'll make an exception) rogue can  taunt it enough to ignore the genuinely fearsome warrior and charge  after the rogue.  Unless the rogue in question has some special taunt  ability.  And every single one of your examples fitted into one of two  categories:1: The monsters had to ignore the rest of the situation at hand.2: The adventure had to be tailored for the party.  And in particular tailored specifically to allow the rogue to be useful.</blockquote>

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