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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marshall" data-source="post: 6243930" data-attributes="member: 765">Why?!? The DM can always add skills available to the skill challenge(chance are he designed it to start with) and characters that naturally fall into the primary skills are going to be better(and characters with abilities specific to skill challenges will be even better).Where do you get the idea that having abilities that make you good in skill challenges means you suck out of them? Or that not having special abilities for skill challenges, means you cant contribute at all? Again, you're stuck in this binary mode of thinking that being able to contribute at all means that you are as competent as the best candidate for the job with the only other option being worthless.So, basically, you want it the way 4e does it? In that there is no binary built into any class. They are all at least somewhat competent in all aspects of the game.5-10 minute encounters is just absurd. You cant do anything in that little time. It takes more than 5 minutes for the DM to set a scene properly and describe the environs to the players. I dont know who you're playing with, but most people I know like to strategize with the other players/PCs, discuss options and decide what to do and where to do it and thats out of combat...I cant even contemplate a game where I could run 24+ meaningful encounters in a 4 hr session.Back in high school, a couple of buddies and I decided to play Car Wars. Two of us sat down and started building cars and the 3rd said "I'll be the Ref." I thought that was strange, but hey, I'll play along. After we had our cars done, the Ref set up a highway and placed some debris and wrecked cars on it and placed my friends and I cars on one end of the map. He then told us that there were people milling about the wreck site. My friend and I promptly started attacking each other and mowing down the crowd. Which person in this story is playing the wrong game?....and theres a huge difference between sharing the spotlight and heading to the kitchen to make a snack because you are a detriment to the team in these conditions. All my players will let someone else take the lead as long as they get to fall in line behind. What shouldnt happen is a system that makes the game into a series of encounters where only one player participates at a time.</blockquote>

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