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<blockquote data-quote="Wippit Guud" data-source="post: 1036506" data-attributes="member: 720">I have to disagree completely with this. First off, on the obvious level, they have more choices than ride, climb, and jump - intimidate is a prime example of this.Secondly, if you already have a high strength, that already gives you +3 in climb and jump, why sink points into it if you don't want to? Chances are you have a rogue in the party with +10 to climb, and spellcasters available to make jump near pointless.Looking for flavor. Lets take a basic fighter build: 15 Str, 12 Dex, 15 Con, 12 Int, 10 Wis, 10 Cha. Bring him to level 5. That gives 24 points to work with. (also assume human for this stuff, brings it to 29 points)The Woodsman:2 ranks hide (4 points)2 ranks in handle animal (2 points)2 ranks move silently (4 points)3 ranks in listen (6 points)3 ranks is spot (6 points)3 ranks in survival (6 points)Feats: Alertness, Quick-Draw, Track, Two-weapon style, Weapon focus(hand axe), Weapon Specilization(hand axe)The Leader4 ranks in diplomacy (8 points)4 ranks in sense motive (8 points)3 ranks in intimidate (3 points)2 ranks in ride (2 points)8 ranks in profession(war leader) (8 points) - See Cry Havoc by Mahavoc pressFeats: Negotiator, Mounted Combat, Ride-by attack, spirited charge, weapon focus(long sword), Weapon Specilization(long sword) - and at 6th take leadershipJust remember, you won't be as good outside fo comabt as other characters, but they probably won't be as good during combat</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wippit Guud, post: 1036506, member: 720"] I have to disagree completely with this. First off, on the obvious level, they have more choices than ride, climb, and jump - intimidate is a prime example of this. Secondly, if you already have a high strength, that already gives you +3 in climb and jump, why sink points into it if you don't want to? Chances are you have a rogue in the party with +10 to climb, and spellcasters available to make jump near pointless. Looking for flavor. Lets take a basic fighter build: 15 Str, 12 Dex, 15 Con, 12 Int, 10 Wis, 10 Cha. Bring him to level 5. That gives 24 points to work with. (also assume human for this stuff, brings it to 29 points) The Woodsman: 2 ranks hide (4 points) 2 ranks in handle animal (2 points) 2 ranks move silently (4 points) 3 ranks in listen (6 points) 3 ranks is spot (6 points) 3 ranks in survival (6 points) Feats: Alertness, Quick-Draw, Track, Two-weapon style, Weapon focus(hand axe), Weapon Specilization(hand axe) The Leader 4 ranks in diplomacy (8 points) 4 ranks in sense motive (8 points) 3 ranks in intimidate (3 points) 2 ranks in ride (2 points) 8 ranks in profession(war leader) (8 points) - See Cry Havoc by Mahavoc press Feats: Negotiator, Mounted Combat, Ride-by attack, spirited charge, weapon focus(long sword), Weapon Specilization(long sword) - and at 6th take leadership Just remember, you won't be [I]as good[/I] outside fo comabt as other characters, but they probably won't be as good during combat [/QUOTE]

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