Why did the era of primordial evil end?

[Nifft]

Term Limits

This is my favorite so far.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Shemeska]

What are the origins of the Baernoloths?

Out of game, they appear throughout 2e Planescape as an undercurrent in the history of the lower planes and the racial mythology of the yuguoloths. They're also mentioned in FC:I as having some incredibly ancient sources claiming that they were an earlier fiendish race that created the obyriths and ancient baatorians (which is a twist on the version of history that the yugoloths claim), and the core of that is later repeated by the dying obyrith lord Bechard who mentions that the obyriths originated outside of the Abyss as the creations of a parent race of creator fiends. Maybe all of the fiends are lying, but certain things keep popping up that reflect elements of the 'loth creation mythos. Beyond FC:I, there aren't many other mentions of them in 3.x, the only other one being a mention I made of one specific baern in Dragon.

But in-game the earliest histories of the lower planes (which are all penned by the 'loths or demodands, so you have to trust them to tell the whole trust...) claim that before the outer planes existed in manifest form, the abstract alignments warred against their opposites in some vague, immaterial existance. Eventually a truce was brokered by Neutrality, and out of this the first primordial versions of the outer planes formed, with each primal alignment sending a race of representatives into those half-formed planes. Evil sent the Baernaloths who would go on to create the yugoloths as a servant race, with a renegade baernaloth named Apomps going on to create the demodands as his servant race in mockery of the 'loths (and the Obyriths curiously parallel this by their own creation of the Tanar'ri).

Much of this was fleshed out in 'Faces of Evil: The Fiends', 'Hellbound: The Blood War', and 'Planes of Conflict'.

This is what they looked like:

I'd say that the obyriths created them, but mostly just to rile up Shemeska a little bit...

Bulmahn got off light with Hextor putting arrows into his car I mean

 

[Tinker Gnome]

I ended the age of Primordial Evil when I burped.

 

[Vanye]

Drew,

You have lots of plushie Cthulthus in your possession, don't you?

Doesn't everyone?

 

[Ry]

So the humanoid races that were made by the aboleths - I guess they weren't humans, elves, and dwarves, right? Don't both yuan-ti (in some form) and dragons predate humans in the core mythology?

 

[James Jacobs]

So the humanoid races that were made by the aboleths - I guess they weren't humans, elves, and dwarves, right? Don't both yuan-ti (in some form) and dragons predate humans in the core mythology?

What those humanoid races were is left pretty vague, but yeah, they were probably some sort of reptile/amphibian type humanoids who don't survive to the modern day. Althoguh i kind of like the idea that they created humans, and it was these proto-humans/cavemen who discovered faith and got free.

In any event, since creation myths vary from game world to game world, it's all left pretty vague so that you can utilize the aboleth backstory in any campaign without really much tinkering or revision work.

 

[Nightfall]

Doesn't everyone?

Nah I just have my Orcus Plushie.

*chuckles at James rattling the King of the Crossroads' cage. *

 

[Slife]

It ended?

I never got the memo.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

Doesn't everyone?

Plush Cthulhu will rule the world.

 

[Cthulhudrew]

Nah I just have my Orcus Plushie.

Is there such a thing? (Genuinely curious. I'd kind of like a plush Demogorgon, myself. Or maybe a fake vomit Juiblex.)