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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 8200057" data-attributes="member: 23716"><p>I don't think I have much to add to the august reasoning and arguments already put forward here.&nbsp; But I will put forward one point:&nbsp; I agree with those that mention the spell list as being a key part of the mechanics.</p><ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">One of the things that makes the Paladin &amp; Ranger work (with some detractors for the later) is that they have their own spell list with unique spells.&nbsp; There is some overlap of course, but this does much to give a class its own unique identity, feel and style.&nbsp; Recently, it seems WOTC has moved away from this, with more spells available to more classes and poaching another class's spell list available through a variety of options.&nbsp; Of course it helps that Paladin &amp; Ranger are half casters as well.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A big failure of the Eldritch Knight, as has been pointed out, is that they just use the wizard spell list, with some limitations on spell schools.&nbsp; While this limitation may be thematic, and I don't object on principle, it does not work out well in practice.&nbsp; Especially the Evocation limitation, as evocation spells in 5e quickly fall by the wayside as the levels rise as a result of how spell scaling works.&nbsp; The EK, already late and slow in acquiring spells due to being a 1/3 caster, quickly ends up bringing a knife to a gunfight so to speak.&nbsp; Thus we see how a mechanic designed to limit the LFQW ends up hurting the AHC (if we can even call the EK a AHC attempt).&nbsp; </li>
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[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 8200057, member: 23716"] I don't think I have much to add to the august reasoning and arguments already put forward here. But I will put forward one point: I agree with those that mention the spell list as being a key part of the mechanics. [LIST] [*]One of the things that makes the Paladin & Ranger work (with some detractors for the later) is that they have their own spell list with unique spells. There is some overlap of course, but this does much to give a class its own unique identity, feel and style. Recently, it seems WOTC has moved away from this, with more spells available to more classes and poaching another class's spell list available through a variety of options. Of course it helps that Paladin & Ranger are half casters as well. [*]A big failure of the Eldritch Knight, as has been pointed out, is that they just use the wizard spell list, with some limitations on spell schools. While this limitation may be thematic, and I don't object on principle, it does not work out well in practice. Especially the Evocation limitation, as evocation spells in 5e quickly fall by the wayside as the levels rise as a result of how spell scaling works. The EK, already late and slow in acquiring spells due to being a 1/3 caster, quickly ends up bringing a knife to a gunfight so to speak. Thus we see how a mechanic designed to limit the LFQW ends up hurting the AHC (if we can even call the EK a AHC attempt). [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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