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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vandaexpress" data-source="post: 6634504" data-attributes="member: 6790472">Exacerbating the situation here is how the rules that DO exist for stealth are scattered across so many different sections in the PHB!Stealth is something I've been thinking a lot about lately, and I've found myself going back and forth on it. On the one hand, you have people arguing that stealth is such a fluid concept that no matter how well-codified the rules are, they never seem sufficient for every situation. I can see that being true, and its basically the position that the WotC sages have taken.But I'm finding myself swinging back to my original perspective as well for one reason:While yes it is true that DMs can implement their own house rules and should interpret specific scenarios according to their will, this makes it difficult, as a player, especially one who hasn't played with a specific DM before, to understand whether or not they want to play a rogue or how they should build their rogue. Or any stealth-based character, for that matter. Any class that significantly hinges on DM interpretation of a specific rule or set of rules is facing a greater degree of uncertainty and risk than a typical player, who normally only needs to worry about variability in the content of the adventure, whereas players of these DM-dependent classes also have to worry about interpretation of vague rules which determine, to a greater extent, how their character can contribute to the adventure.Same applies to Wild Sorcerer and, to a lesser extent, illusionists.This isn't a game-killer for certain, but it would likely annoy me to play a rogue in AL play, where every DM is different.I think I may end up codifying my own stealth rules for handling most situations. I've been trying to hold off on the house rule bandwagon until I've DM'd a full-length campaign through at least three tiers of play, but this (along with vision/obscurement) is one case where I'm having to address it so often at the table that I'm tempted to start implementing something sooner. Stealth is such a major part of my campaign that I really need to standardize the rules, I feel like I owe it to my players, especially when so many of their plans hinge on stealth to some extent.</blockquote>

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