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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6639371" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Not...really? It sounds like the people who liked god-like mages are upset that they had their toys taken away, while the people who think Fighters should get to sit at the table of brotherhood with everyone else <em>still</em> haven't gotten what they want. That is, unless they <em>become mages too.</em></p><p></p><p>Sometimes, "nobody's happy" will mean "everyone got something." Sometimes, it will mean nobody really got what they wanted. I'm not going to say that a reduction in caster power *compared to 3e* is bad--it surely is not. But "reduced from godhood" does not equate to "no longer ruling the roost." They're still orders of magnitude better off than non-casters--even Rogues, the most utility-y of the classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Instead of blatantly mischaracterizing what others are saying, perhaps we could note that I (just as an example) have not once <em>complained</em> about the Fighter's combat ability? I've even explicitly called it top-tier for making <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> dead. I have focused literally everything I've said on the non-combat portion. The only <em>possible</em> component that could be a complaint about combat performance is that I said they're highly sensitive to pacing (e.g. short rest frequency).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6639371, member: 6790260"] Not...really? It sounds like the people who liked god-like mages are upset that they had their toys taken away, while the people who think Fighters should get to sit at the table of brotherhood with everyone else [I]still[/I] haven't gotten what they want. That is, unless they [I]become mages too.[/I] Sometimes, "nobody's happy" will mean "everyone got something." Sometimes, it will mean nobody really got what they wanted. I'm not going to say that a reduction in caster power *compared to 3e* is bad--it surely is not. But "reduced from godhood" does not equate to "no longer ruling the roost." They're still orders of magnitude better off than non-casters--even Rogues, the most utility-y of the classes. Instead of blatantly mischaracterizing what others are saying, perhaps we could note that I (just as an example) have not once [I]complained[/I] about the Fighter's combat ability? I've even explicitly called it top-tier for making :):):):) dead. I have focused literally everything I've said on the non-combat portion. The only [I]possible[/I] component that could be a complaint about combat performance is that I said they're highly sensitive to pacing (e.g. short rest frequency). [/QUOTE]
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