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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6639465" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Depends on what you mean by "tip toward the spellcasters." Pure damage-wise, Fighters are pretty crazy damage (and Paladins aren't a slouch either). As I understand it, judicious use of 5th level slots can do more AoE damage than Fighters' single-target damage, but it's difficult to out-do the Fighter on that front. That said though, Wizards can still beat, or trivialize, encounters with high-level spells. It's harder, sometimes a lot harder, than it used to be (e.g. in 3e) but it can still be done. You may not have a Wizard player who guns for heavy optimization, too. After all, there are still people who swear that 3e doesn't have caster supremacy because they've never seen it at their tables.Not necessarily. It would be completely possible to bring the Fighter up to (roughly) the level of the Paladin or Rogue without having to rebalance everything. I'm not trying to champion for Fighters being the best at everything. I just feel that they really can't meaningfully contribute to non-combat stuff via specifically Fighter-derived features. Hence why I have difficulty accepting the Eldritch Knight as "giving the Fighter utility." It does so by using features that explicitly *aren't* derived from the Fighter class (rather, from the Wizard class).</blockquote>