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<blockquote data-quote="nightspaladin" data-source="post: 6641563" data-attributes="member: 55206">Because there are plenty of charatcer types that require both being the leader of a party or society or men in general and the combat leader. Any general or heroic fighter of old was often the charismatic leader or rallier of people. Are you suggesting that if I want to be a weapon combat machine AND be party face, I need to look at another class? That's madness&nbsp;The problem with improvisation is that if it is the only recourse then your characters, in the fiction, are only as good as the acting abilities of the player playing them. Often people want to play &quot;fantasy&quot; to be a fantasy of what they are not. If improv is all there is mechanically, then no one sitting around the table should ever play a carouselling bard, or a pious devout knight, considering the general anti-social nerdery that is our hobby. Same is true for any of the high stats. There are many bright intelligent players playing D&amp;D, but few of them are super genius level IQ or gandhi level sages. Yet if we have to improv as our primary resolution we better be both of those, or else playing an 18 int or wis character is a waste.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nightspaladin, post: 6641563, member: 55206"] Because there are plenty of charatcer types that require both being the leader of a party or society or men in general and the combat leader. Any general or heroic fighter of old was often the charismatic leader or rallier of people. Are you suggesting that if I want to be a weapon combat machine AND be party face, I need to look at another class? That's madness The problem with improvisation is that if it is the only recourse then your characters, in the fiction, are only as good as the acting abilities of the player playing them. Often people want to play "fantasy" to be a fantasy of what they are not. If improv is all there is mechanically, then no one sitting around the table should ever play a carouselling bard, or a pious devout knight, considering the general anti-social nerdery that is our hobby. Same is true for any of the high stats. There are many bright intelligent players playing D&D, but few of them are super genius level IQ or gandhi level sages. Yet if we have to improv as our primary resolution we better be both of those, or else playing an 18 int or wis character is a waste. [/QUOTE]

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