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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6642390" data-attributes="member: 48965">If I automatically assumed you were talking BS I wouldn't engage with you.  That said, I am honestly looking to be convinced, especially since my play experience over 8 levels doesn't support your conclusion, that the fighter is woefully inadequate in the other 2 pillars.  I've offered up builds and details on how the fighter's in my experience have stayed relevant in the non-combat pillars across 8 levels... Perhaps this will change as we play at higher levels but then I've also been told most people don't play beyond 12...  The problem is classes like ranger and druid are auto-associated by consensus with things like nature, survival, animals, etc.  A fighter on the other hand is either associated with fighting or there isn't a real consensus...It's not sorted, because you still haven't told me what fightery implies... A Paladin is a martial-esque character that has strong traditional flavor outside of "fighting", a rogue is another martial character that has strong traditional flavor outside of combat... by default the fighter is supposed to be a more generic and generalized warrior, his flavor is a master of combat... the minute you give him specifically flavored non-combat abilities you take that general nature and by implication flexibility away.  I guess it can't go further... because I have run and played in games with fighters in them and they weren't lame outside of combat.It sounds like they are keeping the more general nature of the fighter and allowing you to pick what he is outside of combat... as opposed to pigeonholing him into a particular sub-archetype. Ineffective has a different meaning than less effective...IME if a player in 5e literally has nothing to do in the non-combat pillars regardless of his class choice, it's because of a conscious choice on the part of the player.</blockquote>

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