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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6642408" data-attributes="member: 15700">So something more constructive than &quot;fighters can't do anything out of combat&quot;?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f635.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="o_O" title="Er... what?&nbsp; &nbsp; o_O"&nbsp; data-smilie="12"data-shortname="o_O" />it goes both ways.&nbsp; You may think my response is nothing but snark, but do you know how often that claim gets thrown out there and it's a horrible one?&nbsp; It's only true if you ignore what the game is actually about.&nbsp; It's not called a &quot;role-playing&quot; game on accident.&nbsp; And I'm pretty confident that most players don't play the game only through the lens of modifiers and mechanics only; that they also view the game through a role-playing lens that has nothing to do with a particular modifier or power.So yeah, when I hear people say that fighters can't do anything out of combat or are subpar compared to other classes out of combat, that's always an argument that's either:* disingenuous* ignores the role-playing aspect of the role-playing game (which I find extremely odd)* ignores literally decades of D&amp;D where players did in fact contribute long before there was a specific power/ability that told them they could* or assumes that the other classes always have the right power/spell/ability available all the time in every situation (which never actually happens in actual game play).* reliant on metagaming that discourages actual role-playing (which is the worst offender of this list, IMO.&nbsp; Telling someone they shouldn't attempt something because another player has a higher modifier for example).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6642408, member: 15700"] So something more constructive than "fighters can't do anything out of combat"? o_O it goes both ways. You may think my response is nothing but snark, but do you know how often that claim gets thrown out there and it's a horrible one? It's only true if you ignore what the game is actually about. It's not called a "role-playing" game on accident. And I'm pretty confident that most players don't play the game only through the lens of modifiers and mechanics only; that they also view the game through a role-playing lens that has nothing to do with a particular modifier or power. So yeah, when I hear people say that fighters can't do anything out of combat or are subpar compared to other classes out of combat, that's always an argument that's either: * disingenuous * ignores the role-playing aspect of the role-playing game (which I find extremely odd) * ignores literally decades of D&D where players did in fact contribute long before there was a specific power/ability that told them they could * or assumes that the other classes always have the right power/spell/ability available all the time in every situation (which never actually happens in actual game play). * reliant on metagaming that discourages actual role-playing (which is the worst offender of this list, IMO. Telling someone they shouldn't attempt something because another player has a higher modifier for example). [/QUOTE]

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