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<blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6643503" data-attributes="member: 6774887">You do realize remarkable athlete only applies to checks you AREN'T proficient with. Thus it is a minor boost to ability checks you weren't very good at to begin with. Guidance on the other hand not only applies to checks you are proficient in, but can be used to boost other party members as well.As for your edit, that is exactly the point. The fighter only interacts with social and interaction encounters through their ability checks. Because of bounded accuracy, there isn't a significant difference between a +8 modifier to a roll and a +6 modifier to a roll. This means that other characters are basically just as capable of the fighter in accomplishing exploration tasks related to STR, before taking into account their other abilities such as spells, expertise, invocations, wildshape, rituals, etc.The fighter doesn't meaningfully contribute to non combat exploration encounters. Simply having a high Strength does very little to make him desirable. Aside from this, there is still the fact that Strength related challenges make up a fairly small portion of the exploration pillar. A party worried about exploration challenges would be better off with an Athletics Expertise rogue or Bard, a Melee cleric with guidance, a moon druid, a warlock, or basically any full spellcaster. Even a paladin or barbarian are more capable at getting through exploration challenges and they have very similar combat capabilities to the fighter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashkelon, post: 6643503, member: 6774887"] You do realize remarkable athlete only applies to checks you AREN'T proficient with. Thus it is a minor boost to ability checks you weren't very good at to begin with. Guidance on the other hand not only applies to checks you are proficient in, but can be used to boost other party members as well. As for your edit, that is exactly the point. The fighter only interacts with social and interaction encounters through their ability checks. Because of bounded accuracy, there isn't a significant difference between a +8 modifier to a roll and a +6 modifier to a roll. This means that other characters are basically just as capable of the fighter in accomplishing exploration tasks related to STR, before taking into account their other abilities such as spells, expertise, invocations, wildshape, rituals, etc. The fighter doesn't meaningfully contribute to non combat exploration encounters. Simply having a high Strength does very little to make him desirable. Aside from this, there is still the fact that Strength related challenges make up a fairly small portion of the exploration pillar. A party worried about exploration challenges would be better off with an Athletics Expertise rogue or Bard, a Melee cleric with guidance, a moon druid, a warlock, or basically any full spellcaster. Even a paladin or barbarian are more capable at getting through exploration challenges and they have very similar combat capabilities to the fighter. [/QUOTE]

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