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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashkelon" data-source="post: 6644230" data-attributes="member: 6774887">Because they don't actually do anything unique?Seriously, all using indomitable does is give you another chance to save. That isn't a unique capability, everyone already gets to make a save anyway. Besides, some classes get advantage on certain saves all the time, bonuses to their and their allies saving throws, or healing to replace HP lost by failed saves. On top of that indomitable is generally more useful in combat, so wasting it on a trap is usually a poor choice.Note:even when talking about the non-combat capabilities of the classes, nobody brings up barbarians advantage on dex saves, paladins bonus to all saves, rogues uncanny dodge, paladins lay-on hands, druids wild shape HP buffer, etc. That is because those defensive features don't actually help solve any sort of exploration related task. They provide a defensive boost when you fail to overcome an obstacle. That is very different than being able to actually contribute to the success of a non-combat challenge.Remarkable athlete doesn't do all that much, Before level 17 it is a +2 to your untrained skill checks. Woohoo. Now you fail 10% less often. It never actually makes you competent. Besides, again, rolling ability checks is something anyone can do. A small bonus to those definitely isn't unique.Second wind suffers the same problem as indomitable, ie it is far more powerful when used in combat that outside of it. In fact, is there ever a situation outside of combat where it is worth using?Basically, all your examples are not only not unique, but also tend to be wasting powerful combat oriented features outside of combat. Not only that, they don't actually show how the fighter can contribute the success of a non-combat challenge in a way that is better than any other random PC with a decent Strength and training in Athletics.</blockquote>

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