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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6644240" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>Bolded for emphasis... you've made claims like this throughout this discussion... but they are patently false. Let's compare the range between someone who has maxed out an ability and taken training in a relevant skill vs. one with a 10 and no proficiency...</p><p></p><p></p><p>[TABLE="width: 500"][TR][TD]LVL[/TD][TD] MaxAttribute+Prof[/TD][TD] MaxAttribute[/TD][TD]10Attribute+Prof[/TD][TD]10Attribute[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]1[/TD][TD]+6[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+2[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]5[/TD][TD]+7[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+3[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]9[/TD][TD]+8[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]13[/TD][TD]+9[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+5[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]17[/TD][TD]+10[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+6[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]Maybe I'm doing something wrong but tell me again how anyone with a 10 attribute and no proficiency has a chance to accomplish the same things as anyone else...</p><p></p><p>So even at first level the 20 attribute + prof character can complete tasks in the very hard range and will never fail a a difficulty of very easy... the 10 has no chance to tackle a very hard task and can fail at very easy tasks...</p><p></p><p>By level 17 a character with 20 attribute and prof has a chance to do the nearly impossible (DC 30)... Can someone with a 10 accomplish the same... can they even accomplish a very hard task? No. Even with advantage they can never accomplish either.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Now I understand why the wizard is wasting spells to climb and jump, he doesn't have a choice... he's probably dumped strength so has a -1 instead of zero and is untrained... He can fail at the simplest of climbs and can't even make a hard check...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6644240, member: 48965"] Bolded for emphasis... you've made claims like this throughout this discussion... but they are patently false. Let's compare the range between someone who has maxed out an ability and taken training in a relevant skill vs. one with a 10 and no proficiency... [TABLE="width: 500"][TR][TD]LVL[/TD][TD] MaxAttribute+Prof[/TD][TD] MaxAttribute[/TD][TD]10Attribute+Prof[/TD][TD]10Attribute[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]1[/TD][TD]+6[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+2[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]5[/TD][TD]+7[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+3[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]9[/TD][TD]+8[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]13[/TD][TD]+9[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+5[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]17[/TD][TD]+10[/TD][TD]+4[/TD][TD]+6[/TD][TD]0[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]Maybe I'm doing something wrong but tell me again how anyone with a 10 attribute and no proficiency has a chance to accomplish the same things as anyone else... So even at first level the 20 attribute + prof character can complete tasks in the very hard range and will never fail a a difficulty of very easy... the 10 has no chance to tackle a very hard task and can fail at very easy tasks... By level 17 a character with 20 attribute and prof has a chance to do the nearly impossible (DC 30)... Can someone with a 10 accomplish the same... can they even accomplish a very hard task? No. Even with advantage they can never accomplish either. EDIT: Now I understand why the wizard is wasting spells to climb and jump, he doesn't have a choice... he's probably dumped strength so has a -1 instead of zero and is untrained... He can fail at the simplest of climbs and can't even make a hard check... [/QUOTE]
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