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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6644812" data-attributes="member: 48965">Even though this claim has been made by a few posters... mathematically it's not possible.  Someone with a 10 attribute and no proficiency in what they are attempting does not have a chance to accomplish everything (barring some kind of mundane or magical aid).  And an attribute of an 8 without proficiency can't accomplish anything in the hard and DC's (20-30) without some kind of aid.  I'm not sure where the posters who've stated this are getting it from...Edit: In other words contrary to what has been bandied about in this thread by some people... proficiency (because it scales) and high attribute bonuses (because they allow you to accomplish things in the top most tiers of difficulty when combined with proficiency) are very important and valuable in 5e.</blockquote>