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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6644877" data-attributes="member: 48965">Well we did used to get those marvel handbooks (not sure if they are still around or not) that ranked hereos objectively and were supposed to be cannon... so if were using those as a basis, no it doesn't model the actual characters well.I'm not criticizing it for what it does... in fact I said it does a good job at this.But to go further and comment on the context in which this was posted...using it's modeling of comic stories as an example of a way to model the fighter in D&amp;D type play... especially since D&amp;D doesn't profess to model any one type of fantasy story or genre... I just don't think it's a good fit.&nbsp; Are we modelling Conan, Fafhrd and Gray Mouser... Arthurian Knights, Warriors of Native American or African legends, Viking-esque raiders or Greek inspired warriors...&nbsp; In other words exactly whose stories are we emulating to model the fighter archetype if we go this route?EDIT: This is also the issue I have with the Eldritch Knight being considered an invalid archetype by some... there are plenty of legends, myths, etc. (at least in cultures outside the European baseline) where fighters and warriors are gifted with some mystical abilities...&nbsp; so why is a subclass that uses magic not a valid fighter archetype?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6644877, member: 48965"] Well we did used to get those marvel handbooks (not sure if they are still around or not) that ranked hereos objectively and were supposed to be cannon... so if were using those as a basis, no it doesn't model the actual characters well. I'm not criticizing it for what it does... in fact I said it does a good job at this. But to go further and comment on the context in which this was posted...using it's modeling of comic stories as an example of a way to model the fighter in D&D type play... especially since D&D doesn't profess to model any one type of fantasy story or genre... I just don't think it's a good fit. Are we modelling Conan, Fafhrd and Gray Mouser... Arthurian Knights, Warriors of Native American or African legends, Viking-esque raiders or Greek inspired warriors... In other words exactly whose stories are we emulating to model the fighter archetype if we go this route? EDIT: This is also the issue I have with the Eldritch Knight being considered an invalid archetype by some... there are plenty of legends, myths, etc. (at least in cultures outside the European baseline) where fighters and warriors are gifted with some mystical abilities... so why is a subclass that uses magic not a valid fighter archetype? [/QUOTE]

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