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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6644971" data-attributes="member: 48965">Well yes he evolves but it's 4e's limited multi-classing that makes it hard to model Conan's evolution without wholesale changes to his classes... thus my assertion that 4e wouldn't model a character as broadly proficient as him very well.&nbsp; At the end of the day D&amp;D (all editions) don't really support single protagonist adventurers who can pretty much handle all challenges... Even with open multi-classing like 3.x your effectiveness suffers with the more classes you take Now don't get me wrong I believe there are systems that can model protagonists like Conan easily... leaving aside MHRpg I think FATE/Legends of Anglerre would do an even better job... what I don't agree with is that...1. Any version of D&amp;D can or necessarily should be able to model an exact Conan clone since he's a specific character in a specific world with conceits that aren't necessarily found in D&amp;D's default rules or world...2.The way games like MHRP or FATE model character's like Conan is a good model for D&amp;D...&nbsp; The closest I've seen in a d20 game is 13th Age with it's free-form skills and the multi-classing rules in the supplement 13 True Ways... but even it's got limitations that would make it hard to model Conan exactly... but neither 5e, 4e or 13th Age is the Conan rpg so why should they be able to model him?&nbsp; I mean I can't create Elric either (mainly because D&amp;D magic is nothing like that in the Young Kingdoms but are these a flaw in D&amp;D or in my expectations?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6644971, member: 48965"] Well yes he evolves but it's 4e's limited multi-classing that makes it hard to model Conan's evolution without wholesale changes to his classes... thus my assertion that 4e wouldn't model a character as broadly proficient as him very well. At the end of the day D&D (all editions) don't really support single protagonist adventurers who can pretty much handle all challenges... Even with open multi-classing like 3.x your effectiveness suffers with the more classes you take Now don't get me wrong I believe there are systems that can model protagonists like Conan easily... leaving aside MHRpg I think FATE/Legends of Anglerre would do an even better job... what I don't agree with is that... 1. Any version of D&D can or necessarily should be able to model an exact Conan clone since he's a specific character in a specific world with conceits that aren't necessarily found in D&D's default rules or world... 2.The way games like MHRP or FATE model character's like Conan is a good model for D&D... The closest I've seen in a d20 game is 13th Age with it's free-form skills and the multi-classing rules in the supplement 13 True Ways... but even it's got limitations that would make it hard to model Conan exactly... but neither 5e, 4e or 13th Age is the Conan rpg so why should they be able to model him? I mean I can't create Elric either (mainly because D&D magic is nothing like that in the Young Kingdoms but are these a flaw in D&D or in my expectations?) [/QUOTE]

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