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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6648962" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>It's just my impression, but it seems like each edition is most-fanatically preferred by those who have only ever played that edition. If you play other editions (or even *gasp* other games) you probably get a little more open-minded.</p><p></p><p>4e wasn't around long enough (2 years, in it's original form, 2 more as the bowdlerized Essentials) to acquire the large following of starting-with-that-edition fans that 2e (10 years) and 3e (8 years & OGL), let along 1e (10-13yrs, and height of the fad) accumulated, though in that brief time, it did retain a surprising number of the few new players who tried it. It was also enjoyed, at the time, by those who played D&D for a long time (starting with 1st or earlier and progressing through 3.5). That same group is relatively satisfied with 5e. Sort of the loyal, long-time fan demographic. </p><p></p><p>3e/Pathfinder has a contingent of very loyal fans who either started with 3e, or came back to D&D with the announcement of 3e after a long absence. At the time, though, the long-time loyal fans were playing it enthusiastically, of course.</p><p></p><p>5e seems to be most wildly popular with fans who started with 2e (or, perhaps, BECMI), and skipped 3e or 4e or both - and of course, with longtime 'loyal' fans who generally play the current ed, regardless. It hasn't attracted/retained a meaningful number of new players as yet.</p><p></p><p>OSR is worth mentioning, too, it seems to appeal to fans who started with 0e or 1e or B/X and dropped out of the hobby before 3e or 4e (or possibly even 2e), only to return ~20 years later.</p><p></p><p>Remember those are just my impressions, not hard data. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p> I thoroughly enjoyed 4e and wish it could have had a full run. (I started with 1e - technically with Basic, for a few sessions - in 1980). But, I'm shy of fitting the 'long time loyal fan' demographic, since I gave up on the second half of the 2e run, playing Storyteller and Hero in the interim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6648962, member: 996"] It's just my impression, but it seems like each edition is most-fanatically preferred by those who have only ever played that edition. If you play other editions (or even *gasp* other games) you probably get a little more open-minded. 4e wasn't around long enough (2 years, in it's original form, 2 more as the bowdlerized Essentials) to acquire the large following of starting-with-that-edition fans that 2e (10 years) and 3e (8 years & OGL), let along 1e (10-13yrs, and height of the fad) accumulated, though in that brief time, it did retain a surprising number of the few new players who tried it. It was also enjoyed, at the time, by those who played D&D for a long time (starting with 1st or earlier and progressing through 3.5). That same group is relatively satisfied with 5e. Sort of the loyal, long-time fan demographic. 3e/Pathfinder has a contingent of very loyal fans who either started with 3e, or came back to D&D with the announcement of 3e after a long absence. At the time, though, the long-time loyal fans were playing it enthusiastically, of course. 5e seems to be most wildly popular with fans who started with 2e (or, perhaps, BECMI), and skipped 3e or 4e or both - and of course, with longtime 'loyal' fans who generally play the current ed, regardless. It hasn't attracted/retained a meaningful number of new players as yet. OSR is worth mentioning, too, it seems to appeal to fans who started with 0e or 1e or B/X and dropped out of the hobby before 3e or 4e (or possibly even 2e), only to return ~20 years later. Remember those are just my impressions, not hard data. ;) I thoroughly enjoyed 4e and wish it could have had a full run. (I started with 1e - technically with Basic, for a few sessions - in 1980). But, I'm shy of fitting the 'long time loyal fan' demographic, since I gave up on the second half of the 2e run, playing Storyteller and Hero in the interim. [/QUOTE]
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