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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6650069" data-attributes="member: 82106">But that's exactly what 4e DOES! In 5e you have just the existing 6 DC set points to work with. If something is hard, it is definitionally hard for everyone, always. So you are sort of stuck. With 4e you have the ability to scale the fiction. The NUMBERS are set, because those are the numbers that will work, but what they REPRESENT is largely up to you. Ignoring a few minor places where concrete performance values are given (mostly athletics with jumping) you can make the 4e DC values mean anything you want. If you want a ridiculously scaled game where 30th level PCs are basically gods, then make a medium DC level 30 check allow the fighter to pick up a mountain, a level 30 medium DC CON check to let him drink a river, etc. Now you have Cuchulain. You could make a much more grounded game just by letting those DCs represent the limits of known realistic human performance. The problem with 5e is you CAN'T scale much, because otherwise low level PCs, monsters, etc would be lifting mountains and such. Its a much more restricted game in which the fiction simply cannot be pushed beyond a certain point unless you want some very odd results indeed!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6650069, member: 82106"] But that's exactly what 4e DOES! In 5e you have just the existing 6 DC set points to work with. If something is hard, it is definitionally hard for everyone, always. So you are sort of stuck. With 4e you have the ability to scale the fiction. The NUMBERS are set, because those are the numbers that will work, but what they REPRESENT is largely up to you. Ignoring a few minor places where concrete performance values are given (mostly athletics with jumping) you can make the 4e DC values mean anything you want. If you want a ridiculously scaled game where 30th level PCs are basically gods, then make a medium DC level 30 check allow the fighter to pick up a mountain, a level 30 medium DC CON check to let him drink a river, etc. Now you have Cuchulain. You could make a much more grounded game just by letting those DCs represent the limits of known realistic human performance. The problem with 5e is you CAN'T scale much, because otherwise low level PCs, monsters, etc would be lifting mountains and such. Its a much more restricted game in which the fiction simply cannot be pushed beyond a certain point unless you want some very odd results indeed! [/QUOTE]

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