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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Erechel" data-source="post: 6650279" data-attributes="member: 6784868">Almost. The classes shine in one or more aspects of the game, and Fighters shine in combat, mostly. But they are far from worthless everywhere else (and they shine wherever the Strenght/Athletics come to play, if they are such characters). I can be ok if they are very capable in fighting but nothing else. Here, it is not the fact. They are superior to most people in almost every area, only outshined (why not?) from people exceptional at those areas, not average nor great.I'm following the letter, yes. But this is also possible. This are examples of where RA can apply besides the skills (tool proficiencies are a rather extreme examples, as they are explicitly covered by the rules) The DM has to mediate to control this. But, RAW, it is possible. I'm not shure either (I have sometimes difficulties to make sense in English, because I'm a Spanish native speaker), but: the very name of the thread sounds a lot as an Edition War thread, and mostly I have heard complains of 4th edition fans (only one AD&D fan that I've read has ever complained from this edition).Most complains are utterly false (as the borderline utility of Action Surge or RA), or bad intentioned (as the thread itself) . Facts: *you are heavy modding 4th edition. You could easily mod 5th the same way. It does not count. Base game still has some of this*5th Edition is not (as it was 4th) a loud obliteration of every prior edition, but a convergence. It supposedly has to unify the editions in one. Several 4ed rules are present in DMG, so as several 1st, 2nd an 3rd edition.Aside from the numbers, the 20th level barbarian actually kicks a lot of ass. This is what I said earlier about bad intentioned claims. Among multiattack, superior scores, superior hit points and almost everything else, a "random local kid" has not the slightest chance to beat a raging barbarian. Maybe a platoon of orcs can, but they are orcs, and they are a platoon, not "one" kid. And one 8 year old kid can enter in your house and stab you in real life, even if you are a US marine. THis is, as you said earlier, an old question, appliable to almost every edition. There are plenty of reasons why, but for some respect, we have to say that very little 1st level characters draw the king's attention to themselves. And also there is the fact of the amount of lives risked: an ancient red dragon can kill almost anything that comes around, even if he is capable of killing armies before going down. If you were the king, and have to choose between risking your entire army to be erased (half by the dragon, half by other armies when yours is weakened) or five acclaimed heroes that have nothing to do with your army, what do you choose? I prefer to save my army and risk the stupid mercenaries, thank you. You also can be trying to kill the dragon for your own glory and gain, before the army is there yet. Maybe you are in the right place at the right time. Maybe the army is too busy fighting the raiding orcs/marauders to attend the dragon. Or maybe you are the king, or the army's general, champion, whatever. Otherwise, why the evil 20th level Lich haven't conquered the world yet with the flaming demons army, when clearly there is no other hero but the stupid 1st level party? Were are the overwhelming masses of 10th level hobgoblins that the heroes fight at 10th level before the heroes reach 10 level?You see Tyrlaan? this is the kind of posts that brought to the table my ranting against 4th Edition (and I've not critiziced it in this post)</blockquote>

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