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<blockquote data-quote="Erechel" data-source="post: 6650856" data-attributes="member: 6784868">This is simply not true. Rounds and turns are a measure of time, and they are accounted in whenever time is a crucial factor. And RAW, cunning action is combat . And at this time, we are arguing for the sake of arguing, and I'm tiring of it. Cunning action is clearly stated as a combat feature. Action Surge don't. Chases aren't combat either, although they can end in one. Chases are measured in turns (please, look at the DMG, for Gygax's sake), and you can model every timeframed event by turns and rounds.We both recognize that proficiency and expertise are better than RA at a given task, but proficiency is a scarce resource, and expertise is scarcer. You fail to recognize that your argument (the bottomline champion) is flawed, because you aren't a bottomliner, and you aren't average. You are above average in general skill tasks (hence, superior to whom hasn't nor proficency nor expertise, nor RA), and you are superior to everyone else in every check not made by actual skills, which covers actually a broad spectrum. And that said, because BA, a +2 is a huge step in this edition, although insignificant in prior ones.Also, Spinozajack has a clue of the niche fulfilled by the champion class. A combat specialist, not a out of combat expert (a statement that I've already made). But he is not worthless outside combat. And also (and this is rarely taken account yet), this edition has three axis to take account a character: Class, Race and Background. You aren't defined only by your class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Erechel, post: 6650856, member: 6784868"] This is simply not true. Rounds and turns are a measure of time, and they are accounted in whenever time is a crucial factor. And RAW, [B]cunning action is combat [/B]. And at this time, we are arguing for the sake of arguing, and I'm tiring of it. Cunning action is clearly stated as a [B]combat feature[/B]. Action Surge don't. Chases aren't combat either, although they can end in one. Chases are measured in turns (please, look at the DMG, for Gygax's sake), and you can model every timeframed event by turns and rounds. We both recognize that proficiency and expertise are better than RA at a given task, but proficiency is a scarce resource, and expertise is scarcer. You fail to recognize that your argument (the bottomline champion) is flawed, because you aren't a bottomliner, and you aren't average. You are above average in general skill tasks (hence, superior to whom hasn't nor proficency nor expertise, nor RA), and you are superior to everyone else in every check not made by actual skills, which covers actually a broad spectrum. And that said, because BA, a +2 is a huge step in this edition, although insignificant in prior ones. Also, Spinozajack has a clue of the niche fulfilled by the champion class. A combat specialist, not a out of combat expert (a statement that I've already made). But he is not worthless outside combat. And also (and this is rarely taken account yet), this edition has three axis to take account a character: Class, Race and [I][B]Background[/B][/I]. You aren't defined only by your class. [/QUOTE]

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