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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6650881" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Sure, but that only covers what you can <strong>carry</strong>, its deliberately vague about what you can <strong>lift</strong> and there are for instance many examples of powers and skill uses where defined boundaries are exceeded in specific ways. </p><p></p><p>The core point still stands, in 4e you can do this, in 5e it wouldn't just mean 30th level Wizards <strong>might</strong> have a chance to do the same, it would mean <strong>peasants</strong> might do the same!</p><p></p><p>In point of fact though a 30th level Fighter with 30 STR in 4e (probable) has a +10 differential with a STR 10 30th level wizard, BEFORE anything else is factored in. If the DC is hard level 30 (DC 42), then the 30th level wizard can't pass it, unless he's got 7 additional points of STR bonus, which is pretty unlikely. The fighter himself is getting a +25, so even HE needs additional help to succeed often. He could of course be wearing a Belt of Giant Strength, using an Elixir, subject to one of various powers, or have a reroll, a feat bonus, etc. So chances are if it really comes down to it, he can probably push it over the top, but it won't be easy. The wizard, even with all those advantages might only barely succeed, and would be unlikely to try.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6650881, member: 82106"] Sure, but that only covers what you can [b]carry[/b], its deliberately vague about what you can [b]lift[/b] and there are for instance many examples of powers and skill uses where defined boundaries are exceeded in specific ways. The core point still stands, in 4e you can do this, in 5e it wouldn't just mean 30th level Wizards [b]might[/b] have a chance to do the same, it would mean [b]peasants[/b] might do the same! In point of fact though a 30th level Fighter with 30 STR in 4e (probable) has a +10 differential with a STR 10 30th level wizard, BEFORE anything else is factored in. If the DC is hard level 30 (DC 42), then the 30th level wizard can't pass it, unless he's got 7 additional points of STR bonus, which is pretty unlikely. The fighter himself is getting a +25, so even HE needs additional help to succeed often. He could of course be wearing a Belt of Giant Strength, using an Elixir, subject to one of various powers, or have a reroll, a feat bonus, etc. So chances are if it really comes down to it, he can probably push it over the top, but it won't be easy. The wizard, even with all those advantages might only barely succeed, and would be unlikely to try. [/QUOTE]
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