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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6651137" data-attributes="member: 5834">Now I think I'm understanding your point. 5E is more compacted than other versions of D&amp;D. The power curve is the flattest of any edition of D&amp;D. the difference between&nbsp; a 20th level fighter and a 1st level fighter is wide enough where the level 20 can kill the level 1 very quick and easy. But not so wide an army of 1st level fighters can't be a good fight for a level 20 fighter like previous editions. This flat power curve doesn't allow you to play an epic level game as easily as in past editions. That makes more sense. I can only say the flat power curve is part of the attraction for me as a DM and player. I can construct adventures more like the novels I enjoy in 5E than in any previous edition of D&amp;D. In previous editions of D&amp;D an army of orcs had no chance of taking on a high level party, in 5E they are a real danger. This mirrors a book like Lord of the Rings or even some of the D&amp;D novels way better than any previous edition. I like that aspect. I can at least understand how those that enjoy a more epic feel such as fighting demon armies may not be happy. We fought three cloud giants at level 7. In 3E/Pathfinder, we could usually take down three standard cloud giants by level 7 with five characters. In 5E we got our asses handed to us and had to flee. They burned our hit points down too quickly and our ACs were easy to hit.Some prefer this style and have been asking for it for years. They finally get it. But for those that still want to play epic D&amp;D, they will have to DM differently, hand out far more magic, and probably adjust some of the systems. Monsters hit comparatively harder and easier. The games numbers are compacted leading to a wider range of challenges, but less high.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6651137, member: 5834"] Now I think I'm understanding your point. 5E is more compacted than other versions of D&D. The power curve is the flattest of any edition of D&D. the difference between a 20th level fighter and a 1st level fighter is wide enough where the level 20 can kill the level 1 very quick and easy. But not so wide an army of 1st level fighters can't be a good fight for a level 20 fighter like previous editions. This flat power curve doesn't allow you to play an epic level game as easily as in past editions. That makes more sense. I can only say the flat power curve is part of the attraction for me as a DM and player. I can construct adventures more like the novels I enjoy in 5E than in any previous edition of D&D. In previous editions of D&D an army of orcs had no chance of taking on a high level party, in 5E they are a real danger. This mirrors a book like [I]Lord of the Rings[/I] or even some of the D&D novels way better than any previous edition. I like that aspect. I can at least understand how those that enjoy a more epic feel such as fighting demon armies may not be happy. We fought three cloud giants at level 7. In 3E/[I]Pathfinder[/I], we could usually take down three standard cloud giants by level 7 with five characters. In 5E we got our asses handed to us and had to flee. They burned our hit points down too quickly and our ACs were easy to hit. Some prefer this style and have been asking for it for years. They finally get it. But for those that still want to play epic D&D, they will have to DM differently, hand out far more magic, and probably adjust some of the systems. Monsters hit comparatively harder and easier. The games numbers are compacted leading to a wider range of challenges, but less high. [/QUOTE]

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