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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6653303" data-attributes="member: 6696971">KM, I see you make statements like this about 4e...knowing that you played it...and I'm absolutely floored.  I mean I'm on the ground.  The last 4e game I ran was a late heroic, single player game which featured the following Fighter:[sblock]====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======Saeri Woodwalker, level 8Wood Elf, Fighter (Slayer)Slayer Weapon Specialization Option: Sweeping SwordMoonstruck Hunter (+2 to Perception)Theme: Ghost of the Past FINAL ABILITY SCORESSTR 12, CON 14, DEX 19, INT 14, WIS 16, CHA 10 STARTING ABILITY SCORESSTR 12, CON 13, DEX 15, INT 14, WIS 13, CHA 10  AC: 24 Fort: 19 Ref: 19 Will: 18HP: 71 Surges: 11 Surge Value: 17 TRAINED SKILLSAthletics +10, Endurance +11, Heal +12, History +11, Nature +14 UNTRAINED SKILLSAcrobatics +11, Arcana +8, Bluff +6, Diplomacy +6, Dungeoneering +9, Insight +9, Intimidate +6, Perception +15, Religion +8, Stealth +12, Streetwise +6, Thievery +10 POWERSBasic Attack: Melee Basic AttackBasic Attack: Ranged Basic AttackGhost of the Past Utility: Guidance of the PastElf Racial Power: Elven AccuracyMultiple Class Attack: Power StrikeFighter Utility: Mobile BladeFighter Utility: Battle WrathFighter Utility: Duelist's AssaultFighter Utility 2: Who's Next?Heal Utility 2: Iron ResurgenceAthletics Utility 6: Mighty Sprint FEATSLevel 1: Melee Training (Dexterity)Level 2: Learned SpellcasterLevel 2: Ritual CasterLevel 4: Master at ArmsLevel 6: Jack of All TradesLevel 8: Skill Power ITEMSMagic Greatsword +2 x1Drakescale Armor of Eyes +2 x1Essence of the Scout +1 x1Bracers of Mighty Striking (heroic tier) x1Acrobat Boots x1Torog's Inescapable Suffering (heroic tier)LongbowThieves' ToolsAdventurer's KitRITUAL BOOKBloomTraveler's CamouflagePass Without TraceTree StrideEarthen Ramparts[/SBLOCK]She possessed:1)  Extreme proficiency in exploration skills (and other skills)1)  5 Nature (Exploration) Rituals) that worked both in noncombat action scenes (SCs) and as transition scene mechanics.  2)  1 Encounter Power reroll for any skill3)  1 Encounter Power reroll for History4)  1 Encounter Power that put her Athletics check auto-passing the medium DC and challenging the Hard DC5)  1 Daily Power to put her Stealth check auto-passing the medium DC and challenging the Hard DCThis is a Fighter...at the lowly levels of late Heroic...with an utter arsenal of exploration abilities...who still kicks maximum ass and is ridiculously survivable.  This doesn't even mention her Bear Animal Companion Character.And rickety bridges?  Errr...DMG 2 and the stunting mechanics in general?[sblock][ATTACH]69051[/ATTACH][/sblock]Scratching my head how it was that we played the same game.  My 4e games (all of them) contained more wilderness vs the good guys conflicts than any of my other games (which includes over 5000 - yes five thousand - hours GMing AD&D 1e and 2e...which dwarfs all the rest of my D&D GMing, 3.x + 4e + RC, together).Hard to respond to this without getting further clarification.  Is the thesis here "4e is D&D bowling with gutter guards?"  Or "there is no hard failure with burdensome/unwelcome/punitive consequences/fallout in 4e (in one or both of SCs or combat)"  Accordingly, "there is no overcoming hard obstacles, there is no dramatic decision-points, because victory is assured (or near it)?"</blockquote>

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