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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6653330" data-attributes="member: 6787650">This is in reference to the bolded items in #749, right?Turn into another person: EK can cast Disguise Self at 3rd level or Alter Self at 8th, if he picks it. (He can Polymorph at 20th level but that doesn't help with becoming people.) These are the exact same spells a wizard would use to become another person, so if he invests in this capability he's as good as the wizard at this specific thing. In practice I've seen EKs take combat spells instead like Blur, but opportunity cost exists for everyone: I haven't seen many wizards learning Alter Self either.Fly: EK can fly at 14th level, again if and only if he chooses it as his non-abj/evoc spell pick.See into the future: any fighter can spend his bonus feats on Ritual Magic (cleric) and get access to Augury, Divination, and Commune, which are the closest 5E gets to letting you &quot;see into the future.&quot; (Well, Portent, the Diviner 2 ability, is kind of that too, but in a different way.)I'm always surprised at how little my players invest in intelligence gathering. IMO spells like Augury and Divination are pure awesomesauce for preventing nasty surprises. &quot;Augury of the Fates, tell me true: if I open this spooky coffin here, will I then rejoice or rue?&quot; &quot;Divination: are Rakshasa really vulnerable to weapons coated with salt?&quot; &quot;Divination: will the ancient worm Falgoth be able to sense me if I sneak in this entrance under Pass Without Trace?&quot; This can't tell you anything that the DM doesn't know, but the DM usually knows quite a lot that would benefit the PCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6653330, member: 6787650"] This is in reference to the bolded items in #749, right? [B]Turn into another person:[/B] EK can cast Disguise Self at 3rd level or Alter Self at 8th, if he picks it. (He can Polymorph at 20th level but that doesn't help with becoming people.) These are the exact same spells a wizard would use to become another person, so if he invests in this capability he's as good as the wizard at this specific thing. In practice I've seen EKs take combat spells instead like Blur, but opportunity cost exists for everyone: I haven't seen many wizards learning Alter Self either. [B]Fly:[/B] EK can fly at 14th level, again if and only if he chooses it as his non-abj/evoc spell pick. [B]See into the future:[/B] any fighter can spend his bonus feats on Ritual Magic (cleric) and get access to Augury, Divination, and Commune, which are the closest 5E gets to letting you "see into the future." (Well, Portent, the Diviner 2 ability, is kind of that too, but in a different way.) I'm always surprised at how little my players invest in intelligence gathering. IMO spells like Augury and Divination are pure awesomesauce for preventing nasty surprises. "Augury of the Fates, tell me true: if I open this spooky coffin here, will I then rejoice or rue?" "Divination: are Rakshasa [I]really[/I] vulnerable to weapons coated with salt?" "Divination: will the ancient worm Falgoth be able to sense me if I sneak in this entrance under Pass Without Trace?" This can't tell you anything that the DM doesn't know, but the DM usually knows quite a lot that would benefit the PCs. [/QUOTE]

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