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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6654387" data-attributes="member: 82106">I don't understand how this is a relevant comparison. In 4e if you were say level 4 you could just about take on an Ogre, barely. A really tough encounter might be a couple of ogres, or an ogre and a couple orcs, etc. When you reach 9th level the same exact ogre will now be hit pretty easily, but it will still be a relevant foe, maybe 5 of them will make you sit up and do your thing. When you're 15th level an ogre will be hit on a 4 or so, it won't hit you so much, its damage will be just slightly annoying, and its hit points will be slim enough that your strikers should one-shot it with an encounter power. At 20th level said ogre will be an auto-hit.That's progress, and its real, and it exists in 4e. You can put it in a pipe and smoke it, it works. If you now say &quot;but why would I have a level 9 ogre in a level 15 adventure?&quot; That's the same question you could ask in 5e! Its there to showcase your progress pretty much. Now, in 5e maybe it can also act as a 'minion'. OK, though I think the actual 4e minion rules are a bit more convenient, and you could make an ogre into a level 15 minion if you want (same XP value).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6654387, member: 82106"] I don't understand how this is a relevant comparison. In 4e if you were say level 4 you could just about take on an Ogre, barely. A really tough encounter might be a couple of ogres, or an ogre and a couple orcs, etc. When you reach 9th level the same exact ogre will now be hit pretty easily, but it will still be a relevant foe, maybe 5 of them will make you sit up and do your thing. When you're 15th level an ogre will be hit on a 4 or so, it won't hit you so much, its damage will be just slightly annoying, and its hit points will be slim enough that your strikers should one-shot it with an encounter power. At 20th level said ogre will be an auto-hit. That's progress, and its real, and it exists in 4e. You can put it in a pipe and smoke it, it works. If you now say "but why would I have a level 9 ogre in a level 15 adventure?" That's the same question you could ask in 5e! Its there to showcase your progress pretty much. Now, in 5e maybe it can also act as a 'minion'. OK, though I think the actual 4e minion rules are a bit more convenient, and you could make an ogre into a level 15 minion if you want (same XP value). [/QUOTE]

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