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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6654442" data-attributes="member: 996">It's a little late for you to be realizing it now, but, yes to both.&nbsp; The encounter guidelines in 4e did include creatures of higher or lower level.&nbsp; Conservatively, no more than level +4 or less than level -2, but when you're talking a party at 4th, and the same party at 9th, yeah, no problem.&nbsp; A monster on the high end of what the party could handle at 4th is at the low end of what's appropriate to challenge them at 9th.&nbsp; I've had it happen many times that players encounter the same sort of monster - even the same enemy, if it escaped past encounters - again at higher level.&nbsp; &nbsp;Yeah, 4e was never going to give you that one.&nbsp; It's just too limiting.&nbsp; Really, few games are that badly designed.&nbsp; Yeah, /getting rid/ of options other people use because they offend your narrow sensibilities, not a great idea.&nbsp; Not for 4e, which was trying to broaden and grow the market, not even for 5e which is trying to be inclusive.&nbsp; You can take a game like 4e or 5e, that presents options you don't want, and not use those options.&nbsp; You really can.&nbsp; You won't go to hell.&nbsp; Well, for that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6654442, member: 996"] It's a little late for you to be realizing it now, but, yes to both. The encounter guidelines in 4e did include creatures of higher or lower level. Conservatively, no more than level +4 or less than level -2, but when you're talking a party at 4th, and the same party at 9th, yeah, no problem. A monster on the high end of what the party could handle at 4th is at the low end of what's appropriate to challenge them at 9th. I've had it happen many times that players encounter the same sort of monster - even the same enemy, if it escaped past encounters - again at higher level. Yeah, 4e was never going to give you that one. It's just too limiting. Really, few games are that badly designed. Yeah, /getting rid/ of options other people use because they offend your narrow sensibilities, not a great idea. Not for 4e, which was trying to broaden and grow the market, not even for 5e which is trying to be inclusive. You can take a game like 4e or 5e, that presents options you don't want, and not use those options. You really can. You won't go to hell. Well, for that. [/QUOTE]

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