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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6656333" data-attributes="member: 82106">LOL! See, now you can't tell the difference, and that's because its all just splitting hairs. I mean you're going to start out with something, either a DC, or a fictional description of something, and you're going to engineer those two things so that they each make sense WRT each other and your agenda. So, maybe you start with the fiction in your 5e game, but then the issue is you have immovable rocks when it would be cool if the player could move a rock. Or you start with the fiction in your 4e game, in which case you always insure that said fiction is filled with interesting challenges for the characters at hand. That, at most has to do with the fact that there's less different possible DCs, but the truth is that the difference of 5 points in a DC in 5e really will make a difference as it makes medium into hard. I think there's more need to be careful with that. And I have no idea why it would be necessary to 'keep the party level in mind' in one system and not the other. If you describe the boulders as giant immovable rocks then in either system there better be a really high DC that makes them giant and immovable! Maybe that DC is passable by the hulking high level super STR barbarian, but you still have to have, in every system, your fiction in mind at all times. Or just not worry about it too much and realize that now and then you miss a chance to make something cooler.Its hard to do in 4e, because it uses a detailed combat system with maps. You COULD, in principle, allow for this kind of thing. It would be better if there were plot coupons or doom pools or something though. 4e isn't really equipped for this sort of play any more than 5e is, though its a bit closer in some sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6656333, member: 82106"] LOL! See, now you can't tell the difference, and that's because its all just splitting hairs. I mean you're going to start out with something, either a DC, or a fictional description of something, and you're going to engineer those two things so that they each make sense WRT each other and your agenda. So, maybe you start with the fiction in your 5e game, but then the issue is you have immovable rocks when it would be cool if the player could move a rock. Or you start with the fiction in your 4e game, in which case you always insure that said fiction is filled with interesting challenges for the characters at hand. That, at most has to do with the fact that there's less different possible DCs, but the truth is that the difference of 5 points in a DC in 5e really will make a difference as it makes medium into hard. I think there's more need to be careful with that. And I have no idea why it would be necessary to 'keep the party level in mind' in one system and not the other. If you describe the boulders as giant immovable rocks then in either system there better be a really high DC that makes them giant and immovable! Maybe that DC is passable by the hulking high level super STR barbarian, but you still have to have, in every system, your fiction in mind at all times. Or just not worry about it too much and realize that now and then you miss a chance to make something cooler. Its hard to do in 4e, because it uses a detailed combat system with maps. You COULD, in principle, allow for this kind of thing. It would be better if there were plot coupons or doom pools or something though. 4e isn't really equipped for this sort of play any more than 5e is, though its a bit closer in some sense. [/QUOTE]

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