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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6656887" data-attributes="member: 5834">I didn't play 4E much. I didn't like 4E. I played Pathfinder during that period. Our group tried 4E. Most of us didn't like it. We found Pathfinder. Most of us preferred that. Our group played Pathfinder. I only know the 4E Core books somewhat. In that version we tried to play our lethal version of D&amp;D without a cleric healer, didn't work out. Burned through healing surges too quickly. Cleric had some of the better abilities that healed without a Healing Surge. Sure, you could build a warrior cleric. Our play-style pushed us to have a cleric healer. In 5E we haven't needed a cleric healer even playing the lethal style we play. Cleric doesn't have abilities far superior to other healers at lower level. Only real difference is mass heal at the very highest level and prayer of healing as a level 2 spell. Otherwise, all healers are pretty equal. Experiences differ in this area. I can't tell if it was the 4E system or the way we play. Probably more the way we play since monsters are played as tactically efficient as possible with the intent of killing the party and encounters massed into one big encounter rather than smaller encounters. This is the first edition of D&amp;D since Basic we didn't need a cleric to survive including Core 4E.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6656887, member: 5834"] I didn't play 4E much. I didn't like 4E. I played [I]Pathfinder[/I] during that period. Our group tried 4E. Most of us didn't like it. We found [I]Pathfinder[/I]. Most of us preferred that. Our group played [I]Pathfinder[/I]. I only know the 4E Core books somewhat. In that version we tried to play our lethal version of D&D without a cleric healer, didn't work out. Burned through healing surges too quickly. Cleric had some of the better abilities that healed without a Healing Surge. Sure, you could build a warrior cleric. Our play-style pushed us to have a cleric healer. In 5E we haven't needed a cleric healer even playing the lethal style we play. Cleric doesn't have abilities far superior to other healers at lower level. Only real difference is [I]mass heal[/I] at the very highest level and [I]prayer of healing[/I] as a level 2 spell. Otherwise, all healers are pretty equal. Experiences differ in this area. I can't tell if it was the 4E system or the way we play. Probably more the way we play since monsters are played as tactically efficient as possible with the intent of killing the party and encounters massed into one big encounter rather than smaller encounters. This is the first edition of D&D since Basic we didn't need a cleric to survive including Core 4E. [/QUOTE]

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