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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6656911" data-attributes="member: 957">I recognize you are responding to others, and I do not embrace everything being stated from any quarter here.But do you find this highly ironic?&nbsp; When 4E first rolled out it was vastly praised as the game for newbie GMs and everything was made foolproof for a brand new player to jump in as DM.&nbsp; This was hailed as the cornerstone of the soon to be vastly expanded player base.&nbsp; What happened to that?I love GURPs.&nbsp; Recently Tony made some comment about the lack of GURPs taking over showing that customizable systems aren't all that.&nbsp; (paraphrasing very much from off the cuff memory)I don't think these games made nearly the dent in the industry that GURPs made.&nbsp; But I readily acknowledge that they were quite popular.&nbsp; But a lot of people never tried them and a lot of people just didn't care for them.It doesn't really resolve anything.&nbsp; And if anything you seem to be piling on to a conceit being offered by Lovecraft's alter-ego here that failure to enjoy 4E stems from lack of sophisticated appreciation of the hobby.I don't buy that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6656911, member: 957"] I recognize you are responding to others, and I do not embrace everything being stated from any quarter here. But do you find this highly ironic? When 4E first rolled out it was vastly praised as the game for newbie GMs and everything was made foolproof for a brand new player to jump in as DM. This was hailed as the cornerstone of the soon to be vastly expanded player base. What happened to that? I love GURPs. Recently Tony made some comment about the lack of GURPs taking over showing that customizable systems aren't all that. (paraphrasing very much from off the cuff memory) I don't think these games made nearly the dent in the industry that GURPs made. But I readily acknowledge that they were quite popular. But a lot of people never tried them and a lot of people just didn't care for them. It doesn't really resolve anything. And if anything you seem to be piling on to a conceit being offered by Lovecraft's alter-ego here that failure to enjoy 4E stems from lack of sophisticated appreciation of the hobby. I don't buy that. [/QUOTE]

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