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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6656920" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Naw. You hear Hemlock contesting AbdulAlhazred's assertion that clerics are mandatory, or at least universally optimal.And do note that my players don't actually have an Aura of Vitality bard among them. I've played them at other tables and they are quite good, but the fact that clerical healing is inefficient is subsidiary to the point about there being other ways to play. Minionmancy, mobility and bearbarian[1] resistance have all featured prominently in key victories at my table. I dare say they would have been TPKed on at least two occasions if not for the Silver Horn of Valhalla which they stole from the Enkidu. (It was originally on loan but they never gave it back.)It sounds like you need to learn more about the alternatives before judging the relative efficacy of clerics. Also, playstyle matters a lot--maybe there's something specific about how your DM runs the game that makes healing mandatory for you.[1] Whoops, I got caught up in the fun of the word &quot;bearbarian&quot;. The barbarian at my table is actually a wolf barbarian, so has resistance only to non-magical weapon attacks and not to everything. Still, his amazing tankability + damage output has been key in some large fights, in particular one at Deadly x10 against a neogi deathspider stuffed with 26 umber hulks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6656920, member: 6787650"] Naw. You hear Hemlock contesting AbdulAlhazred's assertion that clerics are mandatory, or at least universally optimal. And do note that my players don't actually have an Aura of Vitality bard among them. I've played them at other tables and they are quite good, but the fact that clerical healing is inefficient is subsidiary to the point about there being other ways to play. Minionmancy, mobility and bearbarian[1] resistance have all featured prominently in key victories at my table. I dare say they would have been TPKed on at least two occasions if not for the Silver Horn of Valhalla which they stole from the Enkidu. (It was originally on loan but they never gave it back.) It sounds like you need to learn more about the alternatives before judging the relative efficacy of clerics. Also, playstyle matters a lot--maybe there's something specific about how your DM runs the game that makes healing mandatory for you. [1] Whoops, I got caught up in the fun of the word "bearbarian". The barbarian at my table is actually a wolf barbarian, so has resistance only to non-magical weapon attacks and not to everything. Still, his amazing tankability + damage output has been key in some large fights, in particular one at Deadly x10 against a neogi deathspider stuffed with 26 umber hulks. [/QUOTE]

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