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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6656993" data-attributes="member: 82106">I don't note that [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] validated those opinions of 4e. One COULD respond with "fans of earlier editions uncharitably met any change in their game with hatred and derision, poisoning the community atmosphere and driving players away." I would note that a lot of new incoming D&Ders have had very positive experiences with 4e. It is quite an easy game to pick up, the rules are quite simple and orthogonal, its presentation of game elements is clear and straightforward, etc.There clearly were some issues of presentation that didn't help. In some respects the game might have given more of a nod to tradition, and in others its presentation was too timid and failed to explicate the full potentialities of the game.Still, one of the things that could happen is people could stop trying to characterize versions of the game they didn't care for as 'failed', etc. Analysis is one thing, but blind unending criticism of all aspects of a system because people had some issue with it has become monumentally tiresome. The problem with universal systems is just their very genericity. In order to fit into a variety of genre adequately well they tend not to explore or tailor themselves to any one of them with any significant depth. GURPS has quite a lot of in-depth mechanics for numerous genre, but it only really works for a style of gaming that is quite mechanistic in its tone, much like 3e. It always left me a bit cold, though I can definitely see how cross/mixed-genre play can profit from a system that supports both of them.I think you have to admit that the whole "its not an RPG" thing was a pretty objectionable conceit to start with, as well as being laughable. What people's tastes stem from isn't something I really generally care about, but when they keep waving a very narrow viewpoint in your face with the intention of backhandedly dissing what they don't care for, its more than a little tiresome, particularly when this is year 7 of such kinds of behavior.</blockquote>

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