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<blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 6657853" data-attributes="member: 20998"><p>Two comments to this.</p><p></p><p>One: </p><p>I felt they <strong>fixed</strong> the magic system in 4e and dramatically prefer the A/E/D power system over the old 3e spell system. Why? Because I didn't like the fighter<->wizard power divide, I grew tired of looking up spells in game and losing time, and I didn't like having to hope I picked the right spells for the day or poring through multiple books to find the right spell for the next day.</p><p></p><p>I'm not mentioning this to have a debate over which magic system is better because the answer is incredibly simple - the one you personally enjoy the most. But I'll come back to this in a moment.</p><p></p><p>I am mentioning this because clearly 5e has reverted to most of the things I disliked in pre-4e magic systems. Yes, I realize it's not completely the same, but it is the return of spell lists and the power divide and looking up spells. I consider this a huge step backward <strong>but</strong> that's because I don't like the "old" magic system. <strong>However</strong> I don't feel "screwed by WotC" because of this. WotC is a business, and as such they exist to make money. If what they feel they must do to best make money does not sync with my preferences in gaming, then so be it. It's not personal, it's just business. </p><p></p><p>So yeah, releasing 5e is kind of like them telling me they didn't care that I liked 4e, except for the fact that WotC did not make their decisions with my specific tastes in mind. No company is going to cater my specific tastes and it does me no good to take their decisions personally...because they will never be personal.</p><p></p><p>Two:</p><p>I think you believe the magic system in 4e was broken and that it was the "main problem" with 4e and that they "fixed it" in 5e. This is of course personal preference and not empirical data. Perhaps its fair to guess that many people didn't like that about 4e, but it wasn't broken - it worked just fine for me when I ran a game with it for 5ish years. </p><p></p><p>I'm stating this because what you wrote very much reads like "4e was broken and I'm glad they fixed what was broken about it when they made 5e" when it should really read more like "the stuff in 4e that was a deal breaker for me was removed/changed in 5e, which is awesome because it means 5e doesn't have that thing I don't like in it." </p><p></p><p>Or in other words, as I stated earlier, neither system is better, its just about which one you like more and that's all there is to it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tyrlaan, post: 6657853, member: 20998"] Two comments to this. One: I felt they [b]fixed[/b] the magic system in 4e and dramatically prefer the A/E/D power system over the old 3e spell system. Why? Because I didn't like the fighter<->wizard power divide, I grew tired of looking up spells in game and losing time, and I didn't like having to hope I picked the right spells for the day or poring through multiple books to find the right spell for the next day. I'm not mentioning this to have a debate over which magic system is better because the answer is incredibly simple - the one you personally enjoy the most. But I'll come back to this in a moment. I am mentioning this because clearly 5e has reverted to most of the things I disliked in pre-4e magic systems. Yes, I realize it's not completely the same, but it is the return of spell lists and the power divide and looking up spells. I consider this a huge step backward [b]but[/b] that's because I don't like the "old" magic system. [b]However[/b] I don't feel "screwed by WotC" because of this. WotC is a business, and as such they exist to make money. If what they feel they must do to best make money does not sync with my preferences in gaming, then so be it. It's not personal, it's just business. So yeah, releasing 5e is kind of like them telling me they didn't care that I liked 4e, except for the fact that WotC did not make their decisions with my specific tastes in mind. No company is going to cater my specific tastes and it does me no good to take their decisions personally...because they will never be personal. Two: I think you believe the magic system in 4e was broken and that it was the "main problem" with 4e and that they "fixed it" in 5e. This is of course personal preference and not empirical data. Perhaps its fair to guess that many people didn't like that about 4e, but it wasn't broken - it worked just fine for me when I ran a game with it for 5ish years. I'm stating this because what you wrote very much reads like "4e was broken and I'm glad they fixed what was broken about it when they made 5e" when it should really read more like "the stuff in 4e that was a deal breaker for me was removed/changed in 5e, which is awesome because it means 5e doesn't have that thing I don't like in it." Or in other words, as I stated earlier, neither system is better, its just about which one you like more and that's all there is to it. [/QUOTE]
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