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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6657976" data-attributes="member: 957">First of all, THIS.&nbsp; And for the record, through all the years of my negative comments regarding 4E and its lack of value to me personally (gross simplification there), I repeated this point numerous times.I NEVER felt they owed me anything.That said, I think it is clear that you can take two people on opposite sides and have them both say &quot;Your version moved the game backward.&quot;&nbsp; and have BOTH of them walk away convinced that they didn't say anything offensive but the other person was full of vitriol.I also think that if WotC drew a cartoon showing a 4E fan as a literal troll and having a dragon crap on them, the 4e holdouts as a collective would not show the acceptance of this (or semi-official &quot;we fired them&quot; comments) that they so easily assume 3E fans should have shown when these things actually did happen to them.WotC didn't owe anything, but they blundered their plan and their PR on more than one occasion.&nbsp; (and they fanbase compounded that many many time over)And finally, there are also people out there that love OD&amp;D and think both 3E and 4E suck.&nbsp; Does their opinion count as much as yours or mine?&nbsp; Absolutely yes.&nbsp; But does their opinion carry the same weight in the overall marketplace?&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; You can't just say &quot;two sides of equal merit&quot;.&nbsp; Nose counts matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6657976, member: 957"] First of all, THIS. And for the record, through all the years of my negative comments regarding 4E and its lack of value to me personally (gross simplification there), I repeated this point numerous times. I NEVER felt they owed me anything. That said, I think it is clear that you can take two people on opposite sides and have them both say "Your version moved the game backward." and have BOTH of them walk away convinced that they didn't say anything offensive but the other person was full of vitriol. I also think that if WotC drew a cartoon showing a 4E fan as a literal troll and having a dragon crap on them, the 4e holdouts as a collective would not show the acceptance of this (or semi-official "we fired them" comments) that they so easily assume 3E fans should have shown when these things actually did happen to them. WotC didn't owe anything, but they blundered their plan and their PR on more than one occasion. (and they fanbase compounded that many many time over) And finally, there are also people out there that love OD&D and think both 3E and 4E suck. Does their opinion count as much as yours or mine? Absolutely yes. But does their opinion carry the same weight in the overall marketplace? Nope. You can't just say "two sides of equal merit". Nose counts matter. [/QUOTE]

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