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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6657997" data-attributes="member: 957">I would have preferred some things be different as well.In the end, the 4E fanbase had more to lose.I have, on multiple occasions stated that I disagree with the &quot;videogame&quot; claim and other claims.&nbsp; But I also maintained that it was the obligation of WotC and the 4E fanbase to try to understand WHY people felt that way.I think blowing off simplistic arguments as pure &quot;'I hate your game' putdowns&quot; is simply closed minded and short sighted.&nbsp; Obviously it lacks elegance.&nbsp; But if you make zero effort to try to understand why someone would feel that way in the first place, then you are never going to get anywhere.&nbsp; And, again, the 4e fanbase had more to lose.&nbsp; And you did.&nbsp; I did, hell, I *DO* find 4E to be way to &quot;gamist&quot; for my taste.And don't go blowing smoke about who I aligned myself with.&nbsp; Tony is STILL throwing &quot;H4ter&quot; around routinely and in this very thread.&nbsp; Are you calling him out?&nbsp; He still rolls out the grand conspiracy theory on a regular basis.&nbsp; Are you proclaiming yourself guilty by association?&nbsp; Or can we drop that line of propaganda?&nbsp; I don't know that anything could have been done either.&nbsp; 4E is a tightly engineered system and the alternatives on the market set a high bar.&nbsp; But you can't complain about not enough time to repair broken widows when your whole team is out there throwing rocks.&nbsp; You guys didn't try.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6657997, member: 957"] I would have preferred some things be different as well. In the end, the 4E fanbase had more to lose. I have, on multiple occasions stated that I disagree with the "videogame" claim and other claims. But I also maintained that it was the obligation of WotC and the 4E fanbase to try to understand WHY people felt that way. I think blowing off simplistic arguments as pure "'I hate your game' putdowns" is simply closed minded and short sighted. Obviously it lacks elegance. But if you make zero effort to try to understand why someone would feel that way in the first place, then you are never going to get anywhere. And, again, the 4e fanbase had more to lose. And you did. I did, hell, I *DO* find 4E to be way to "gamist" for my taste. And don't go blowing smoke about who I aligned myself with. Tony is STILL throwing "H4ter" around routinely and in this very thread. Are you calling him out? He still rolls out the grand conspiracy theory on a regular basis. Are you proclaiming yourself guilty by association? Or can we drop that line of propaganda? I don't know that anything could have been done either. 4E is a tightly engineered system and the alternatives on the market set a high bar. But you can't complain about not enough time to repair broken widows when your whole team is out there throwing rocks. You guys didn't try. [/QUOTE]

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