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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6658011" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, I don't know. I'm not sure FANS had any huge obligation to go in and analyze anything. WotC might have had some INTEREST in doing so, and in fact I would argue they did exactly that. I'm not the greatest fan of their response, but clearly they did respond. First they incorporated elements that were requested into 4e, then they published a 'spin' of 4e that was clearly intended to address many of those criticisms (at least the more coherent ones that COULD be addressed), and then they released 5e. The problem for us, as fans and advocates, was that a lot of the commentary was unaddressable in any productive way. What do you say to "that isn't even an RPG, its just WOW on paper!" Even when the commentary had some element at the root of it that you could potentially engage it seemed most often that the criticism was coming from a place that was hopelessly hostile. It was the "Me and 4 of my friends that all didn't like this game before we even played it spent 3 hours confirming our opinion that it sucks." They might have pointed out specific things they didn't like, but when its clear there's no interest in even giving it the slightest chance... To this day I interact with people who never played 4e, never read one paragraph of even the PHB1, and know nothing about it telling me that they wouldn't ever play, it sucked, etc simply based on 'troll poo' they heard 3rd hand off some forum. And that's fine. I can comprehend that. I have answers for it in the sense that the way the game is composed is that way for a REASON, there are things gained, and things potentially lost, though if you approach it a certain way the losses seem insignificant. Still, its OK. I don't feel any need to respond negatively to that sort of comment, nor did I do that 7 years ago that I can recall.I've never espoused those views, or used the same rhetoric. Really I don't know what things you said exactly, which is why I didn't make statements that you said X or Y. Nor do I think that it was a situation where only one side ever said inflammatory or derogatory things. One problem is that in a sense WotC, in its utter stupidity, threw the first brick, and all of us got blamed for that, so there was a rather heavy amount of being told I was bad simply because I liked the game and someone made up a joke ad that promoted said game at the expense of the one they played. I didn't do that either. I'm just saying, you got hit in the crossfire in something very heated. At this point I don't know the details, so I can't say if you really asked for it or not. Many did, some didn't.Oh, I spent endless hours convincing people to play. Many many hours advocating for styles of play and techniques that would improve play experience, etc. There was a lot of that on Enworld, which was at least good about squashing the worst trolling.</blockquote>

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