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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6658022" data-attributes="member: 82106">He can still polymorph, fly, go invisible, etc etc etc. He can still do even more high level things than that, AND he can cast his lower level spells with slots right up to a 9th level slot, making them all relevant to play right up to 20th level. Maybe there are some extreme exploits he can't pull off, but my 14th level AD&amp;D wizard never jumped through any of the hoops you list, some of which are highly suspect (IE polymorphing a mouse into a dragon is expressly forbidden). Still, there were quite surely some nice spell exploits. Many creative uses for spells continue to exist in 5e however. In fact my Transmuter has a class feature which lets him convert one cubic foot of one material to another, and it isn't even a spell! I've already done many very clever things with THAT. I think wizards are alive and well. There are many less of the 'cheaper' forms of exploit, but you still have clear plot dominance and an even wider than ever range of ways to carry out most tasks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6658022, member: 82106"] He can still polymorph, fly, go invisible, etc etc etc. He can still do even more high level things than that, AND he can cast his lower level spells with slots right up to a 9th level slot, making them all relevant to play right up to 20th level. Maybe there are some extreme exploits he can't pull off, but my 14th level AD&D wizard never jumped through any of the hoops you list, some of which are highly suspect (IE polymorphing a mouse into a dragon is expressly forbidden). Still, there were quite surely some nice spell exploits. Many creative uses for spells continue to exist in 5e however. In fact my Transmuter has a class feature which lets him convert one cubic foot of one material to another, and it isn't even a spell! I've already done many very clever things with THAT. I think wizards are alive and well. There are many less of the 'cheaper' forms of exploit, but you still have clear plot dominance and an even wider than ever range of ways to carry out most tasks. [/QUOTE]

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