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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6658227" data-attributes="member: 957">I think I already said that.&nbsp; But you wanted 4E to last longer then maybe you had a self-imposed obligation.&nbsp; If not then you have nothing to complain about.IMO only the last one came anywhere close to fitting the bill.Whatever.&nbsp; I think you are embracing some heavy double standards.&nbsp;&nbsp; 4E alienated a very large number of people from day 1 and it was not going to be fixed with tweaks.&nbsp; So you need to either accept that either &quot;productive&quot; means big changes that may not all be things you like, or accept that WotC and the 4E fanbase CHOOSE to turn their backs on a lot of people and the bad will and the sooner than later end of 4E resulted.Again with the double standards, my statement here was in response to you saying &quot;. OTOH you have to ask yourself with whom you sided in those debates.&quot;&nbsp; Why do I need to ask myself this while you are free to ignore who you sided with?If you say so.&nbsp; This specific conversation started with you saying there was no effort to reach out.&nbsp; I called BS then and I still do now.&nbsp; Again, maybe rather then trying to convince people to play a game they didn't like you would have better served to try to encourage the adaptation of a game that they *wanted* to play and still worked for you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6658227, member: 957"] I think I already said that. But you wanted 4E to last longer then maybe you had a self-imposed obligation. If not then you have nothing to complain about. IMO only the last one came anywhere close to fitting the bill. Whatever. I think you are embracing some heavy double standards. 4E alienated a very large number of people from day 1 and it was not going to be fixed with tweaks. So you need to either accept that either "productive" means big changes that may not all be things you like, or accept that WotC and the 4E fanbase CHOOSE to turn their backs on a lot of people and the bad will and the sooner than later end of 4E resulted. Again with the double standards, my statement here was in response to you saying ". OTOH you have to ask yourself with whom you sided in those debates." Why do I need to ask myself this while you are free to ignore who you sided with? If you say so. This specific conversation started with you saying there was no effort to reach out. I called BS then and I still do now. Again, maybe rather then trying to convince people to play a game they didn't like you would have better served to try to encourage the adaptation of a game that they *wanted* to play and still worked for you. [/QUOTE]

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