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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6658256" data-attributes="member: 82106">Surely if DCs in 4e are, at least partly, driven by dramatic considerations by virtue of their being 'subjective' then just as surely DCs are, at least partly, driven by simulationist considerations in 5e by virtue of their being 'objective'. Think of it this way, you need SOME criterion for a given DC. In 4e it might well be "well, these are paragon PCs, so climbing the mountain in the blizzard is DC 28. In 5e how do you decide the corresponding DC? If its based purely on the basis of a pre-determined fiction, one not generated on-the-fly to appeal to level 12 PCs, then presumably that DC is determined by objectively examining what the real-world difficulty of climbing a mountain in a blizzard is. The alternative is to assume that you in fact don't care about the world-centered DC concept in the first place and you aught to be using PC-centered DCs. If that's the case then why is there any advantage to the system that sets DCs with reference to the world?</blockquote>