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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6658270" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>I said <em>gold </em>dragon, remember. Gold dragons are lawful good and highly intelligent. It could theoretically eat you but the whole reason you create it is as a powerful potential ally. If you don't want to bother with diplomacy you could just create a Tarrasque for you to possess with Magic Jar, that works too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The above is false. I've spent most of my time talking about how 7th through 9th level AD&D spellcasters are as powerful as 20th level 5E casters. When I've discussed 9th level AD&D spells it was only to refute the idea that 9th level 5E spells are on par with AD&D spells.</p><p></p><p>It is not controversial that 5E wizards are more versatile than AD&D wizards. What is laughable is the claim that they are more <em>powerful</em>. AD&D wizards had more need to pick the right spells for the day, but when they did they could do things that 5E wizards can only dream of. I gave examples in post #122 which I will repeat here:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it is certainly a true thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't say you had to shed a tear. Arguably it makes for a better game, and at any rate it's a different game. The key claim I've refuted is that 5E is a "nice power boost from a 2e wizard, which was already kinda game-breaking." It's not, it's just a versatility boost, designed for the casual gamer. No longer do you have to do lots of heavy opposition research and intelligence gathering in order to memorize the right spells. Well actually, you <em>do</em> still have to do opposition research and prep the right spells because you only get 26 of them, but you can get away more easily with skimping, because 5E is designed for casual gamers who have busy non-RPG lives.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6658270, member: 6787650"] I said [I]gold [/I]dragon, remember. Gold dragons are lawful good and highly intelligent. It could theoretically eat you but the whole reason you create it is as a powerful potential ally. If you don't want to bother with diplomacy you could just create a Tarrasque for you to possess with Magic Jar, that works too. The above is false. I've spent most of my time talking about how 7th through 9th level AD&D spellcasters are as powerful as 20th level 5E casters. When I've discussed 9th level AD&D spells it was only to refute the idea that 9th level 5E spells are on par with AD&D spells. It is not controversial that 5E wizards are more versatile than AD&D wizards. What is laughable is the claim that they are more [I]powerful[/I]. AD&D wizards had more need to pick the right spells for the day, but when they did they could do things that 5E wizards can only dream of. I gave examples in post #122 which I will repeat here: That's not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it is certainly a true thing. I didn't say you had to shed a tear. Arguably it makes for a better game, and at any rate it's a different game. The key claim I've refuted is that 5E is a "nice power boost from a 2e wizard, which was already kinda game-breaking." It's not, it's just a versatility boost, designed for the casual gamer. No longer do you have to do lots of heavy opposition research and intelligence gathering in order to memorize the right spells. Well actually, you [I]do[/I] still have to do opposition research and prep the right spells because you only get 26 of them, but you can get away more easily with skimping, because 5E is designed for casual gamers who have busy non-RPG lives. [/QUOTE]
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