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<blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 6658314" data-attributes="member: 20998">IMO, it would be more like &quot;well, these are paragon PCs, so climbing the mountain in the blizzard has no check.&quot;If I wanted it to carry said DC of 28, I'd probably make it something like &quot;climbing the mountain in a blizzard during an avalanche&quot; or &quot;climbing the mountain in a blizzard while dodging the attacks of spear throwing yeti at the top of the mountain&quot;... though I think going with the latter I'd trump up the variables even more and go full on Skill Challenge to make things interesting.I hadn't really considered listing the 5e ritual system as one of the things I don't like about 5e, but then that's probably because it's such a non-entity that it escaped my consideration. I don't really care one way or the other if it impacts balance. However, it's just complete weaksauce to me. Don't you have to know a spell before you can cast it as a ritual? I guess for some class maybe this is no big deal, but for others, wouldn't it severely cut into your spells known to try to accommodate spells that would be good candidates to use as rituals?I can get behind the desire to merge traditional casting and ritual casting into a consolidated system, but it just feels like an uninspired tack on to me, unless I've grossly misunderstood how it works.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tyrlaan, post: 6658314, member: 20998"] IMO, it would be more like "well, these are paragon PCs, so climbing the mountain in the blizzard has no check." If I wanted it to carry said DC of 28, I'd probably make it something like "climbing the mountain in a blizzard during an avalanche" or "climbing the mountain in a blizzard while dodging the attacks of spear throwing yeti at the top of the mountain"... though I think going with the latter I'd trump up the variables even more and go full on Skill Challenge to make things interesting. I hadn't really considered listing the 5e ritual system as one of the things I don't like about 5e, but then that's probably because it's such a non-entity that it escaped my consideration. I don't really care one way or the other if it impacts balance. However, it's just complete weaksauce to me. Don't you have to know a spell before you can cast it as a ritual? I guess for some class maybe this is no big deal, but for others, wouldn't it severely cut into your spells known to try to accommodate spells that would be good candidates to use as rituals? I can get behind the desire to merge traditional casting and ritual casting into a consolidated system, but it just feels like an uninspired tack on to me, unless I've grossly misunderstood how it works. [/QUOTE]

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