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<blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 6658395" data-attributes="member: 20998">Well I think my point was more worrying about the DC is kind of like putting the cart before the horse. If you want a paragon challenge, you build a paragon-level challenge. Then, by the sheer fact that the challenge you have crafted is designed to feel like something fit for paragon characters to tackle, it will make sense to have a paragon-level DC. The other thing you can easily extrapolate from that is there is no actual difference between objective and subjective DCs other than the angle at which you look at them. After all, couldn't I say something like this...&quot;Okay, I want a challenge befit my paragon PCs. Let's go with mountain climbing during a blizzard while an avalanche is happening. That sounds sufficiently over the top for paragon. Okay, what DC would that skill check be...&quot;From there, I could look at a table, like the one presented by 4e, and find a DC based on what I crafted. OR... if I'm using some other system, I might look up what the DC is for climbing a mountain, DC modifiers for blizzards and avalanches (or similar obstacles) and establish my DC. At the end of the day, I have a DC that's probably the same and the whole objective/subjective thing is just semantics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tyrlaan, post: 6658395, member: 20998"] Well I think my point was more worrying about the DC is kind of like putting the cart before the horse. If you want a paragon challenge, you build a paragon-level challenge. Then, by the sheer fact that the challenge you have crafted is designed to feel like something fit for paragon characters to tackle, it will make sense to have a paragon-level DC. The other thing you can easily extrapolate from that is there is no actual difference between objective and subjective DCs other than the angle at which you look at them. After all, couldn't I say something like this... "Okay, I want a challenge befit my paragon PCs. Let's go with mountain climbing during a blizzard while an avalanche is happening. That sounds sufficiently over the top for paragon. Okay, what DC would that skill check be..." From there, I could look at a table, like the one presented by 4e, and find a DC based on what I crafted. OR... if I'm using some other system, I might look up what the DC is for climbing a mountain, DC modifiers for blizzards and avalanches (or similar obstacles) and establish my DC. At the end of the day, I have a DC that's probably the same and the whole objective/subjective thing is just semantics. [/QUOTE]

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